(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]GN[Grandslam places 5-6 Catalin Taranu 5p B vs Alexandr Dinerchteyn 3p W]PW[Alexandr Dinerchteyn 3p ]PB[Catalin Taranu 5p]DT[2016-05-01]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+Resign];B[qd];W[oc];B[dd];W[oq];B[dp];W[fc]
;B[df]C[whitespark [4k\]: did Dinerstein really choose to have no corners?
];W[pf]C[U [?\]: so in the end whoever wins this game will have lost 1 game and won 900 euro. meanwhile, whoever loses in finals will have lost 1 game and gotten 5000 euros. aint fair sometimes
GrandSlam3 [-\]: that is very fair for a knockout system... compare this with a Tennis Grandslam it is the same..
RobertT [-\]: U, both players have already lost 1 game
poiuytre: U you all for the money transfer. beggar that Lee
U [?\]: i mean winner of this game will finish 2-1
U [?\]: im not saying the systems wrong, just looking at some of the funny details
GrandSlam3 [-\]: no 2-2
RobertT [-\]: U, look at the wins and losses again
RobertT [-\]: then it will make more sense
U [?\]: oh youare counting the prelims
U [?\]: i wasnt
RobertT [-\]: its just a normal single elimination tournament. the only difference is instead of being knocked out, the players play for their exact position
];B[od];W[pd];B[pe];W[pc];B[oe];W[qe];B[qf];W[re]
;B[pg]C[poiuytre: You bet on Diner
];W[mc];B[of]
;W[rd]C[whitespark [4k\]: sorry, instead of s16, is s14 ever appropriate?
RobertT [-\]: no
];B[jp]C[poiuytre: c6
];W[cn];B[cl];W[cq];B[dq];W[cp];B[do];W[bn]
;B[em]C[whitespark [4k\]: catalin will win thanks to the power of the center! :D
Critone: this b structure is so calm
fujiyama [8k\]: this joseki help the center
];W[qp]
;B[mq]C[Critone: I guess dinerstein is relying on that, playing a bit weird to get Taranu into "I teach you the japanese way" 
whitespark [4k\]: haha
];W[cc];B[dc];W[db]
;B[eb]C[Critone: this joseki is not very efficient for b I guess, because of n17 and b8
];W[bb];B[da];W[cb];B[ec];W[bf]
;B[kc]C[Critone: but maybe I'm wrong because if ti was like that w would have been happy with c18 variation
Critone: aniway it's not clear how to handle this for w
Critone: right side is almost urgetnfor w because otherwise all other w moves will be dame, but can he just play there? I'm not sure
Critone: on the other side w already got almost 50 points, with komi
];W[jd]C[Critone: now b handling of d16 group must be very careful
];B[jc]C[fujiyama [8k\]: white alexander has sure points
fujiyama [8k\]: catalin mus contruct in the center now
];W[id]C[lungs [2k\]: catalin always likes influence
];B[md]C[poiuytre: b have better
];W[ic];B[lc];W[nd];B[ne];W[nc];B[ke];W[ig]
;B[kg]C[Liso66 [?\]: U you could lose rating and play 1:2 and still win more money than play 2:1 and improve rating... It is what knockout is
];W[fd]C[prom [11k?\]: Саша позади Казань ,ни шагу назад))))
GrandSlam3 [-\]: rating is extremly overrated.... if you do not play you should lose a lot more points..
];B[dh];W[ii];B[ik];W[qm];B[gg];W[hg]
;B[gf]C[U [?\]:  well there is rank decay among the dutch since they seem to mostly play in their own tournaments only
];W[kh];B[he]
;W[jf]C[prom [11k?\]: кто понимает -как положение у Саши?
asdk [3k\]: везде жив =)
prom [11k?\]: спс
];B[kf]C[prom [11k?\]: давно не заходил изв.спрошу-это что за турнир?
asdk [3k\]: 4 угла и в центре борьба
asdk [3k\]: по-моему отличное положение у Саши =)
asdk [3k\]: d4 k4 только смущает
GrandSlam3 [-\]: that is why top players and specially the new european pro players should be forced to play some international tournaments on yearly base in the same way as it is in Tennis.
asdk [3k\]: слишком много там
prom [11k?\]: это что за турнир идет?
prom [11k?\]: европа7
asdk [3k\]: где-то в Германии
];W[jg]C[asdk [3k\]: больше ничего не знаю
prom [11k?\]: чемп.европы?
prom [11k?\]: ок
];B[fb]C[asdk [3k\]: 2nd European Go Grand Slam Tournament проходит в Берлине с 28 апреля по 1 мая.
asdk [3k\]: не чемп. европы
asdk [3k\]: отдельный турнир
asdk [3k\]: Чемп. Европы будет в Питере ^^
asdk [3k\]: упс
asdk [3k\]: там го-конгресс
asdk [3k\]: http://www.eurogofed.org/
prom [11k?\]: спс
asdk [3k\]: календарь смотри справа
Liso66 [?\]: one decisive game is often about luck so it is cruel to european pro to have only one grand slam tournament per year
sameasyou [2d\]: can't you find a private chat window and practice your beautiful language there, please?
];W[mh]C[Liso66 [?\]: Ilya won 1st one and could be last in this one... 
asdk [3k\]: sameasyou, only after u do it
sameasyou [2d\]: I have been for a long time already
asdk [3k\]: u can find private chat and practice u beautiful language there
sameasyou [2d\]: I already am, that is what I am telling you
asdk [3k\]: i see
GrandSlam3 [-\]: please only english write in english language so all can read what is written
];B[pj]C[asdk [3k\]: where in rules written about english?
GrandSlam3 [-\]: it is in the rules of common sense and just being polite to others
];W[ok]C[asdk [3k\]: ok, then i was to polite to my friend and will write to him in russian
];B[ni]C[GrandSlam3 [-\]: in a private box please
asdk [3k\]: why?
GrandSlam3 [-\]: because I ask you 
poiuytre: black has won
asdk [3k\]: no rules about english
asdk [3k\]: i can write how want
GrandSlam3 [-\]: if you want to be rude do as you like
];W[kk]
;B[qq]C[asdk [3k\]: u english is rude for me
GrandSlam3 [-\]: it is the language all can read and write here.
asdk [3k\]: i dont write for all
asdk [3k\]: i speak with my friend about russian pro
asdk [3k\]: what is problem?
GrandSlam3 [-\]: than why not do it in a private box
hokusai2 [2k\]: we wont to have a fluent reading pall...about the game.
asdk [3k\]: becoz no such rules
Kanin [-\]: there is actually a policy that english ought to be used in the english game room
sameasyou [2d\]: ask yourself this: who am I writing for? There are almost 100 people here and you are only communicating with one other person. Why wouldn't you open a private chat room and talk to that other person. Nobody is telling you not to talk here, just don't flood with stuff that only you friend understands
U [?\]: and technically these games are hosted in english game room so it should be english
U [?\]: its kinda rude to overtake an entire chat box with a language only you two can read
GrandSlam3 [-\]: the rule is being polite to others
howweakami [?\]: they are playing for 5-6 places?
sameasyou [2d\]: yes, 5-6
U [?\]: winner of this gets 5th place
howweakami [?\]: ty
seppuku [2d\]: you are all feeding the troll
asdk [3k\]: how many there dont speak english?
];W[pp]
;B[rp]C[asdk [3k\]: u rude for them
asdk [3k\]: this sam just provoker
GrandSlam3 [-\]: :D
asdk [3k\]: in all tournaments we are always written in any language here
GrandSlam3 [-\]: do what you like
asdk [3k\]: its international, not american or british
asdk [3k\]: want english, make private
GrandSlam3 [-\]: this is an english room
U [?\]: "english game room" so youre wrong asdk
asdk [3k\]: its not english room tournament
GrandSlam3 [-\]: asdk do what you like and be rude to others here
asdk [3k\]: repeat, in all tournaments we are always written in any language here
U [?\]: we can jut censor him if he starts with the russian again
asdk [3k\]: u can, np
GrandSlam3 [-\]: ok
GrandSlam2 [-\]: I don't know what the problem is. Just wait if they go on talkin in russian and find an admin to fix it
U [?\]: yeah could report to admin
GrandSlam3 [-\]: correct
asdk [3k\]: call admin
whitespark [4k\]: why are they bothering you so much. the censor function exists for a purpose like this
asdk [3k\]: call admin to solve the problem
GrandSlam3 [-\]: :D correct i just did it
];W[ro]C[asdk [3k\]: we all wait
];B[pr];W[rr];B[or];W[rq]
;B[mo]C[asdk [3k\]: so. no u want banned me for russian language in international tournament
asdk [3k\]: with russian pro in game
asdk [3k\]: good
asdk [3k\]: i wait admin
sameasyou [2d\]: how much time do the players still have?
softy [1k\]: hard to write Russian in English
softy [1k\]: better allow Russian
softy [1k\]: French and German would be ok, no?
asdk [3k\]: here allowed any language bu kgs rules
asdk [3k\]: by
asdk [3k\]: sam can go in private
softy [1k\]: I agree
];W[dr];B[er];W[cr];B[ki];W[li]
;B[jj]C[U [?\]: i mean if youre that selfish then what can we do about it
GrandSlam2 [-\]: guys, ignore him. hes discussing for the sake of discussing and nothing else
softy [1k\]: it's a recurrent problem
softy [1k\]: on KGS over the years some people insist on English in EGR
GrandSlam3 [-\]: black 1h 41 m
GrandSlam3 [-\]: white 1 h 16 m
asdk [3k\]: ignorant people think all speak english and understand english
softy [1k\]: not ignorant just culture-bound
softy [1k\]: rename room perhaps
];W[kj];B[ji]
;W[jh]C[softy [1k\]: but there are national rooms what are the rules there?
];B[im]C[asdk [3k\]: it is not problem is provoker sam
asdk [3k\]: in all international tournaments here every can speak in lang what he want
asdk [3k\]: спасибо, danke, merci, grazie
asdk [3k\]: for understanding
softy [1k\]: at least all EU languages should be accepted in EGF but also KGS has policy
U [?\]: yet usually people are polite enough to accept if theyre beginning to disrupt chat
];W[mj]
;B[rf]C[U [?\]: 109 people in here, you think the chat should be for only you two?
softy [1k\]: I don't think you need to understand every comment
softy [1k\]: insecurity
U [?\]: sorry for wanting to see english in english room
GrandSlam3 [-\]: this is not about being insecure but being polite to the majority 
asdk [3k\]: in international tournment
softy [1k\]: leading to linguistic imperialism
GrandSlam3 [-\]: no being rude to others
asdk [3k\]: GrandSalm u now just wrong
asdk [3k\]: im here long ago and always in international tournamen all speak how want
softy [1k\]: I doubt majority are offended by  Cyrillic script
];W[gc];B[be];W[ce];B[cd];W[bd];B[cf];W[ae];B[bg];W[gj];B[qk]
;W[km];B[jn];W[jq]
;B[kq]C[biooo: l3 was fast
bumblefoot [1k?\]: so..if b kills k3 b wins, right?
];W[bh]C[biooo: i feel like w is winning , anyone can tell ?
];B[cg]C[craig [5k\]: w move don't look like the kind of move someone makes when they think they are ahead?
];W[el];B[dm];W[gl]
;B[hk]C[rim [?\]: с 9 ?
Migrulos [2d?\]: f11 
];W[ej];B[gk];W[cj];B[de]
;W[be]C[softy [1k\]: g11?
softy [1k\]: B need 2 eyes
softy [1k\]: interesting
softy [1k\]: f11 f10 too easy forW
softy [1k\]: not sure now
Kanin [-\]: locally a18 is a move, isn't it?
Kanin [-\]: so B11 is kind of sente, at least
Kanin [-\]: g11 is a handsome looking move for B
];B[gi]C[softy [1k\]: good
];W[fr];B[es];W[fp];B[fq];W[gq];B[eq];W[fm];B[gp];W[fi];B[fk]
;W[gh];B[fh];W[hi];B[bi]
;W[bj]C[mkkkk: w is ahead
mkkkk: ladder will work for w
mkkkk: a12 f8 connection works
];B[ab]C[softy [1k\]: Kanin's move
];W[ac]C[softy [1k\]: he was spot on
softy [1k\]: ko
];B[ci]C[mkkkk: d8 possible too
mkkkk: c19 safest
];W[eg];B[eh]
;W[fl]C[Kanin [-\]: wowza
];B[ek];W[dl];B[dk];W[cm];B[fn];W[en];B[dn]
;W[gn]C[fujiyama [8k\]: connect or not connect ?
];B[eo];W[go];B[hp];W[ck];B[bl]
;W[bk]C[richilue [3k\]: b did this so nicely why is he behind?
];B[fo];W[al]
;B[sf]C[poiuytre: m16
Migrulos [2d?\]: is d14 alive?
];W[fe]C[Migrulos [2d?\]: why not d10  and kill?
biooo: he let w with 4 corners in the beginning, and alex love that kind of game
];B[ff]C[puerhista [1d\]: isnt B19 dangerous for w?
];W[nq];B[nr]
;W[kp]C[richilue [3k\]: L5  
];B[jo];W[lq];B[mp];W[kr];B[lr];W[ho];B[ip]
;W[ln]C[softy [1k\]: b19 and ko aji at s17 etc
];B[lo]C[softy [1k\]: B win I think
];W[qc]
;B[mn]C[softy [1k\]: ko aji gone
];W[rl];B[rk];W[ld];B[kd];W[me]
;B[mf]C[softy [1k\]: Catalin sometimes miss his opportunities
];W[ng]
;B[nf]C[softy [1k\]: low-scoring game
];W[ca]
;B[mm]C[softy [1k\]: means komi becomes so big
];W[oh]C[softy [1k\]: I think W win 
softy [1k\]: de pire en pire
];B[nj];W[nk];B[pi];W[jk];B[hm];W[gm];B[ij];W[dj];B[ai];W[ag]
;B[ah];W[nh];B[pm];W[ll];B[qn];W[rn];B[ql];W[rm];B[pn]
;W[lg]C[Dom [6d\]: w wins by 3-4 points imo, kinda
];B[jb];W[lf];B[le];W[md];B[ia];W[ph];B[qh];W[sk];B[sj]
;W[sl]C[Poney [2d\]: o19 ?
];B[ri];W[lb];B[qr];W[rs];B[ml];W[kn];B[ko];W[mk];B[oo];W[ee]
;B[ef];W[hb];B[ha];W[gb];B[ga]
;W[om]C[richilue [3k\]: too late for resign?
mkkkk: w+10
mkkkk: b should resign
richilue [3k\]: play for show to peeps?
];B[ka];W[la];B[mb];W[nb];B[ib];W[ge];B[hf];W[hd];B[fj]
;W[jl]C[GrandSlam3 [-\]: black resigns
poiuytre: Саша! Поздравляю!
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