(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]GN[Grand Slam Quarterfinals Ali Jabarin (s) vs. Alexandr Dinerchteyn (w)]PW[Alexandr Dinerchteyn]PB[Ali Jabarin]WR[3p]BR[1p]DT[2016-04-29]EV[Grand Slam Berlin 2016]RO[Quarterfinals]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Song17 [4d\]: I Ali there already?
GrandSlam4 [-\]: Ali is here but not on the board
SIscurge [5d\]: jaberin? :)
GrandSlam4 [-\]: time starts
balafon [5k\]: Jabarin is the standard way to spell it yes
gogonuts [4d\]: can't beat diner in different ways of spelling :-)
]RE[B+5.5];B[pd];W[dc];B[qp];W[cq]
;B[oq]C[Artemy [?\]: Please tell me who plays?
];W[qj]
;B[de]C[GrandSlam4 [-\]: Ali Jabarin (b) vs. Alexndr Dinerchteyn (w)
SIscurge [5d\]: Grandslam you should put player names in the game description so that android users can know who plays who
Artemy [?\]: Thank you!
];W[ce];B[dd];W[cd]
;B[ec]C[goldtree [2k\]: Nadare?
GrandSlam3 [-\]: bord 1 broadcasted on  https://www.twitch.tv/Grandslamboard1
];W[db];B[df]
;W[eb]C[tymak [-\]: nope, just boring now
Song17 [4d\]: JabArin (and I'm also not sure about Alex's spelling
Welvang [6d\]: aliiila
SIscurge [5d\]: haha
Welvang [6d\]: which game is johannesuu broadcasting ?
SIscurge [5d\]: black has an option here but to extend? O.o
Welvang [6d\]: tenuki is always an option
Welvang [6d\]: but...
GrandSlam4 [-\]: Johannes is not here today
SIscurge [5d\]: with the san san I'd always extend i guess
];B[fc]
;W[bg]C[gogonuts [4d\]: this already feels like endgame :-)
U [?\]: he has about 30 spelings at any one time
Welvang [6d\]: btw GrandSlam4, mispelling in "Jabarin" name
Welvang [6d\]: i'll say nothing about dinerstein, his name changes all the time
];B[qh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: you chose the most prosaic version on purpose :-)
Welvang [6d\]: :)
U [?\]: hes the shakespeare of go
];W[qo];B[qm];W[pp];B[pq];W[pm];B[pl];W[qn];B[om];W[pn];B[rp]
;W[ql]C[Song17 [4d\]: hard to choose where to play now
];B[nc]C[Song17 [4d\]: seems like a good choice..
Bombil [2d?\]: wow alexander played 3-3
Song17 [4d\]: lol... he always does that
Bombil [2d?\]: af pam lo raity oto mesahek et ze
Welvang [6d\]: f4 or p8 
Welvang [6d\]: probably p8 or q9 is more urgent
Song17 [4d\]: q9 seems better
pancake [?\]: q9 is nice, it renders the upper moyo small.
Song17 [4d\]: d12 uninteresting?..
Welvang [6d\]: mainly because black has some following with r9
];W[pk]C[pancake [?\]: D12 would be more interesting if C3 wasn't at 3-3 I think, Song. ;)
pancake [?\]: Still a good move, but it seems better to reduce black's moyo from the other side like this now. It's more dual purpose.
];B[di]C[windows [6k\]: now time to move in k16 area?
];W[jc]C[pancake [?\]: The opening feels succesfull for white
];B[hc]C[windows [6k\]: how to count bs territory in upper right? Now many points?
];W[je]C[xinwen [-\]: 30points if white doesnt invade R14, windows. 
pancake [?\]: Because white has a weak group now, we can assume that it will mostly become solid territory. 
Rasd [5d\]: l16 now?
windows [6k\]: xinwen, thanks
Fuseques [?\]: n cap? O.O
xinwen [-\]: L16 then K13 looks nice for black definitely
Rasd [5d\]: yeah
Rasd [5d\]: otherwise just tenuki
xinwen [-\]: ya tenuki is also an option since black somehow in a lead currently. 
Rasd [5d\]: thats not what i meant.. i just dont think theres a very efficient way to attack w
Rasd [5d\]: i actually prefer white here
Bombil [2d?\]: why?
];B[jg]C[Fuseques [?\]: w has more territory and a very thick group to counter b's influence
windows [6k\]: white have more territory and black have only area, which can be destroed.
Rasd [5d\]: im not sure how it happend, maybe d11 was a mistake, but cant find a much better move
];W[lc]C[Fuseques [?\]: b mabye should have fought r6 instead of q8
Rasd [5d\]: yeah
];B[hf]
;W[ep]C[Bombil [2d?\]: i love the fact that every game i see a new way to write alexander last name
Hobbes [1k\]: alexander vs arthem would be a clash of misspellings
windows [6k\]:  r6 instead of q8 looks really good idea, but may be w will be smarter than me, in counting) 
windows [6k\]: m17 can not be killed?
Meruem92 [3d\]: for now no
Meruem92 [3d\]: if whtie forgets about m17 for a while, who knows
];B[gq]C[windows [6k\]: if b will have smth like m13 ? can kill?
Bombil [2d?\]: anyone knows how can a european pro can become a 2p and above?
windows [6k\]: korean school gived him rank
windows [6k\]: and he learned in korea
windows [6k\]: (this is about Alexander)
Bombil [2d?\]: im talking about EGF pros
LinuxGooo [3k\]: and in China.... the first EGF Pros had been sent to china too... as the main sponsor of the EGF Pro League is Chinese.
LinuxGooo [3k\]: there they played tournaments, too... to get confirmed their strength as 1P Dan
Welvang [6d\]: to become 2p, you need to win 3 times this tournament I think
Bombil [2d?\]: the grand slam?
Welvang [6d\]: yes
Welvang [6d\]: If I am not mistaken
Bombil [2d?\]: there is any other way?
Welvang [6d\]: I don't think so, it may change tho
LinuxGooo [3k\]: I think, soon we will see tournament between EGF Pros and Chinese/Korean Pro league.... for now its too early with the risk of an image damage.
Hobbes [1k\]: image damage has to be translated into "showing that eu pro are just a burocratic thing"
LinuxGooo [3k\]: imagine, all EGF 1P Dans would loose against a bunch of Chinese 1PDans... then the image of professionalism would be ruined for couple of years
Welvang [6d\]: well
Welvang [6d\]: I disagree
Bombil [2d?\]: that is why japanese pros are born into this world
];W[qf]C[Welvang [6d\]: and egf pro already beat some chinese/japanese pro by the past
Welvang [6d\]: so why not trying, but indeed chinese are better no doubt
LinuxGooo [3k\]: yeah, thats what I mentioned, they played in Asia some tournaments, and got respected... 
LinuxGooo [3k\]: it will take another 2-3 years of training, till the Europen 1P Dans might climb up by strength to 2-3 Pro Dan level... 
Hobbes [1k\]: yeah I wasn't actually speacking aboout actual pro chances, just translating "image damage" out of politeness
Bombil [2d?\]: i think european pros are stronger than the american
LinuxGooo [3k\]: ah, yeah... thats another aspect. AGA follows its own Go politics, so it looks.
];B[qe]
;W[pf]C[Hobbes [1k\]: I don't know why in western countryes we tend to forget that in asia being a pro means, as a baseline, having attended a Pro school, it's not a "pure strenght" evaluation, how many players around here can count the 21000 hours of study that Haylee made to get her strength?
];B[ne]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: its all still pioneer work which is done by EGF Pro league... a progress which takes 10-20 years building up a new generation of compeitiv European Go players... needs lots of patiency.
LinuxGooo [3k\]: as we see, the financing still must come from China as Europe misses potential sponsors to finance such work over many, many years or lets say realistically decades.
];W[rf]C[Hobbes [1k\]: we can ask sponsorship from google, oh wait they already made their pro toy
LinuxGooo [3k\]: Haylee is uniquely.... she is in a very exclusively position as general secretary of IGF... no other of nearby 8 billion humans on this planet made it.
LinuxGooo [3k\]: I suppose Google will support AGA, linked with Korean GO Federation.
Welvang [6d\]: ...
LinuxGooo [3k\]: so it might be more a battle between Koreans finance AGA Pro League against Chinese finance EGF Pro League
Welvang [6d\]: deepmind is british, fan hui is french, i don't see where aga is
LinuxGooo [3k\]: they did the commentary for Western world, Welvang
Hobbes [1k\]: deep mind is british as it is jaguar.... owned by foreigners
Welvang [6d\]: so what ^^ ?
Welvang [6d\]: just need english speakers
LinuxGooo [3k\]: jaguar is Indian, owned by Tata motors
Hobbes [1k\]: exactly
LinuxGooo [3k\]: hehe
Hobbes [1k\]: so... tell me again that deep mind is british
Welvang [6d\]: thank you for introducing Chris garlock btw
Welvang [6d\]: had to watch the chinese tv
LinuxGooo [3k\]: when I noticed this couple of years I fell off chair... I drove Jaguar cars, I love them... after 250 years occupation by British Empire, Indians beat back and buy the noble British car brand. what a joke !
LinuxGooo [3k\]: but thats another topic... lets focus on the game ;-) 
softy [1k\]: l18?
softy [1k\]: must punish tenuki
Hobbes [1k\]: they really should have made all the jaguar's clima spanding a nice curry smell... just as retaliation
Welvang [6d\]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_DeepMind
Welvang [6d\]: anyway, yea you're right
Welvang [6d\]: let's focus on the game
Welvang [6d\]: i mean pavol's game
Song17 [4d\]: seems pretty nice for Dusan..
GrandSlam4 [-\]: w 2h, b 1:40h
Song17 [4d\]: what to play?
];B[ng]
;W[mf]C[Hobbes [1k\]: can p13 be an option?
Song17 [4d\]: I think Ali will connect and w p12
Song17 [4d\]: but can b kill afterwards?
Song17 [4d\]: I think that if w will manage to live nicely while sacrificing the 3 stones it will still be even
Rasd [5d\]: it wasnt even before :P
Song17 [4d\]: on points I think w was slightly leading, but much less stable
];B[nf]C[Song17 [4d\]: I guess b can try and go for a straight kill
];W[ph]C[Song17 [4d\]: hehe
];B[kd]
;W[nb]C[poiuytre: p18
];B[mc];W[mb]
;B[kc]C[windows [6k\]: i bet l18 ))
Rasd [5d\]: thats the point where alexander doesnt know how to play go anymore
windows [6k\]:  m16 possible but l18 looks better
];W[kb];B[ld]
;W[lb]C[softy [1k\]: p17
windows [6k\]: k18 j18 k16 possible?
krumal [10k?\]: q18 k16 k18?
Song17 [4d\]: feels like w will live, so b needs sente at least
windows [6k\]: q18 k16 tenuki?
Song17 [4d\]: j18 + p17  and w's not alive
Song17 [4d\]: but I guess bj18 wp17 
windows [6k\]: j18 q17 ?
];B[jd]C[Kuros [3k\]: :|
Song17 [4d\]: can w take sente after j17 j16 h18 g18 ?
];W[oc]
;B[od]C[Fuseques [?\]: b needs like 40 points in the center
Song17 [4d\]: doesn't have to be center..
Pinguschaf [?\]: b looks very thick
];W[ic]
;B[id]C[snowman [-\]: white is already alive, neh
];W[ek]C[Hobbes [1k\]: e9 is quite a creative move imo
OoohShiny [7k\]: E9 looks so useless
OoohShiny [7k\]: its neither building nor reducing and is floaty
Hobbes [1k\]: it is building and reducing... only not what you're looking at
softy [1k\]: W got to resort to desperate measures or B take entire centre
snowman [-\]: it creates three miai points :)
snowman [-\]: c9, f10 or k4
softy [1k\]: if q18 h18 I suppose
];B[go]C[Song17 [4d\]: I wanted to see e7 
];W[gk]C[Hobbes [1k\]: w is miai-ing like a boss
softy [1k\]: g5 was really good
GrandSlam4 [-\]: b 1h w 1:30
];B[er]C[softy [1k\]: feels like B not enough yet
softy [1k\]: W k4
];W[hp];B[gp];W[em];B[dq];W[dp];B[cr];W[eq]
;B[dr]C[kmlck [-\]: b quickly switched to cash from moyo
];W[bp];B[cj]
;W[hq]C[snowman [-\]: that looks severe but heavy
];B[hr];W[ir];B[gr];W[jp]
;B[cm]C[windows [6k\]: around n3 now?
tornadotry [1d\]: lead?
];W[cn];B[bn];W[dn];B[bq];W[cp];B[ar];W[bl]
;B[lq]C[pancake [?\]: P18 seems pretty big to me
pancake [?\]: It's black's sente, no?
Ephemere [2d\]: open both side so not really that big
];W[pc];B[qc];W[qb];B[ol]
;W[on]C[windows [6k\]: j6 looks good
];B[pi]
;W[oh]C[GrandSlam4 [-\]: b 30 min, w 1h
];B[qi]
;W[oi]C[slim76 [1d\]: p10 q10 s10 leads to some pretty interesting sequences
slim76 [1d\]: so probably no w q10
TblKBA [1k\]: ok w is good
windows [6k\]: r11 dead anyway?
Geert [?\]: seems like b is throwing the game away here
windows [6k\]: how about attack k4 for b?
windows [6k\]: not really possible to kill?
Song17 [4d\]: L2 is almost instant life
windows [6k\]: thanks
Song17 [4d\]: anyway - Ali is not the kind to resign at such a stage
windows [6k\]: but you think w will win here or everythink possible?
Geert [?\]: And he reads better then most of us, so it might be he sees something were not seeing
windows [6k\]: p8 weak, almost no place for new b territory, right?
windows [6k\]: b: p3 about 20 pts, d2 8 pts, h14 15 pts. Total: 43 pts, w: c16 15pts, n18 10 pts, r5 24 pts, Total: 49 pts, right?
windows [6k\]: may be c8 biggest now?
];B[rm]C[windows [6k\]: just s6 
bleen [1d\]: have you ever counted weaknesses?
slim76 [1d\]: s6 hurts p12 group really bad
windows [6k\]: s6 s8 r9 s10 p10 looks b dead. Where i misstaken?
slim76 [1d\]: s6 s8 r9 p9?
windows [6k\]: wow)) thanks
kissthesky [2d\]: this game over already?
windows [6k\]: so s8 after this s7 still looks dead
];W[rl];B[oj];W[pj]
;B[rj]C[kissthesky [2d\]: B looks dead in R side 
windows [6k\]: r9 p9 s6 
Arhiman [3d\]: sacrifice to make center stronger
];W[ok]C[Arhiman [3d\]: s9
mkkkk: w is fine
windows [6k\]: s9 s6 
Arhiman [3d\]: s9 s6 r9
kissthesky [2d\]: r9 then
kissthesky [2d\]: and fatality
x0000 [-\]: s9 o8 t8 o7 t5 
windows [6k\]: im supid)
kissthesky [2d\]: you are not stupid 
Arhiman [3d\]: maybe o8 before s9
kissthesky [2d\]: still Arhiman, I don't see the point of playing that area for B
kissthesky [2d\]: better attack K4 somehow 
Arhiman [3d\]: to connect everything on the right side ?
kissthesky [2d\]: yes
kissthesky [2d\]: connect for what?
Arhiman [3d\]: that's some points
];B[rk]C[saii [3d\]: he can connect but w will be storng on the center
saii [3d\]: too strong
];W[nm];B[sl];W[nl];B[rn];W[ro]
;B[so]C[windows [6k\]: t5 m5 
Ephemere [2d\]: r3 ?
kissthesky [2d\]: yes R3 is good 
Arhiman [3d\]: isn't it a bit soon ?
kissthesky [2d\]: they play it in joseki some times
kissthesky [2d\]: that moves
windows [6k\]: r3 s3 r2 s2 o3 like this?
pancake [?\]: W can capture R11 stones still?
Arhiman [3d\]: yes
windows [6k\]: how?  please
pancake [?\]: Windows: R3 S3 T4 T3 T9 T10 S12 S11 R13
Arhiman [3d\]: r3 p4 q5 s3 r2 s2 t4 t3 s12 s11 t9 t10 t12 etc.
pancake [?\]: There's a shortage of libs afterwards.
pancake [?\]: actually R13 should be T12 to avoid ko.
Arhiman [3d\]: if s12 is sente for b, maybe w should play it now then
pancake [?\]: it's a 15-ish point move, so probably big enough to play immediately
];W[rh]
;B[ri]C[duelas [4k\]: m12 is bigger imo
duelas [4k\]: or k11
];W[sk]C[pancake [?\]: m12 doesn't look very big to me.. neither does k11
pancake [?\]: They're both a bit ambiguous
bleen [1d\]: they both look floating
pancake [?\]: I said 15 points by the way, but black has no real choice but connect, so it's way bigger
pancake [?\]: 25-ish
];B[sj]C[duelas [4k\]: if white cant sente capture black i would call it not urgent
Welvang [6d\]: it's not sente capture anyway
anton007 [-\]: r3!
pancake [?\]: I would call it friggin huge, duelas
saii [3d\]: can i get link of the stream
KBAC [2d\]: r3 can wait imo
pancake [?\]: There's no stream of this board, is there?
r0n1n [2d\]: is r3 then o3 the aim of white ?
GrandSlam4 [-\]: no there isnt
GrandSlam4 [-\]: board 1 allready finshed
pancake [?\]: R3 is necessary to capture, r0n1n
Arhiman [3d\]: r3 p4 makes o3 weird
Grunman [4k\]: why did b need these 2nd line crawlings? he could play from the centre
r0n1n [2d\]: that's why i said r3 first
Welvang [6d\]: yes r3
Kobor42 [?\]: If w r3 now then b s13 reply or?
pancake [?\]: Sorry, then I don't get the question. What's with o3?
Arhiman [3d\]: but w r3 b p4, then w o3 weird ?
];W[qg]C[zwim [5k\]: Is it ok to defend this 3 stones while white is clearly ahead. shouldn't black invest the center to have a chance ?
Welvang [6d\]: what
r0n1n [2d\]: oh, i forgot about t4 so yeah there's capture
Welvang [6d\]: t12 better ^^ 
pancake [?\]: T4 now?
pancake [?\]: or P4, even better
Arhiman [3d\]: r13 weird
pancake [?\]: True, Welvang, but omitting R3 is the biggest blunder here..
];B[sh]C[KBAC [2d\]: if first r3 then s3-r2 , and b s13
pollux1: big ko
pancake [?\]: Black can save his stones with P4
Kobor42 [?\]: T12 for b i think
anton007 [-\]: lol ko
pancake [?\]: T4*
KBAC [2d\]: anyway b in trouble
Welvang [6d\]: well it depends ^^ 
younme1991 [5k?\]: when will the semi final game be play?
Welvang [6d\]: if w wants to lose the game
Welvang [6d\]: he can lose the game
GrandSlam4 [-\]: tomorrow
];W[qq]C[pancake [?\]: I'd encourage him to do so. 
ben0 [6d\]: thx very much for that deep analysis, Welvang
KBAC [2d\]: yep
Welvang [6d\]: yw
];B[op]
;W[po]C[younme1991 [5k?\]: thanks
];B[rq]C[pancake [?\]: T12 is a blunder as well. T_T Should've just T4'd.
];W[sp]C[pollux1: t12 no blunder
pancake [?\]: Or does he want to make it ko just for those couple extra points?
pancake [?\]: pollux1, why not?
pollux1: ko needed otherwise lose s11
pancake [?\]: Could've played T4
Welvang [6d\]: oj
Welvang [6d\]: s13 is sente ?
Welvang [6d\]: hm difficult to go out
Arhiman [3d\]: seems so
KBAC [2d\]: trade coming ?
pancake [?\]: S13 worth it?
Lork [3k\]: if b s13 isn't w simply take the s6 stones?
hehehihi [-\]: black is going to be weak in the corner
r0n1n [2d\]: seems to me like black can just s13 
r0n1n [2d\]: couldn't w have a much better result ?
pancake [?\]: Black does lose a lot if he can't go out properly.
Welvang [6d\]: yes he could kill the 7 stones
pancake [?\]: And it looks like he can't..
Welvang [6d\]: with no ko
pancake [?\]: O10 N11 N10 M11 makes it difficult.
Gor [3d\]: welvang how many points do you need to take part in grand slam?
GrandSlam4 [-\]: Ali reaches Byoyomi
GrandSlam4 [-\]: w 40 min left
Welvang [6d\]: good question
Welvang [6d\]: I don't really know, it depends on the other player..the easier is just to win the qualifications first ^^ 
pancake [?\]: I think you should be in the top n, right?
o0key [8k\]: T7 now is better ko than S12?
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 4 times
Weishenme [4d\]: though only one possible answer to the question.
Welvang [6d\]: but I let dusan play :p
pancake [?\]: You let Dusan play?
Welvang [6d\]: I mean, I failed misreably in finishing a won game leading to his qualification for grand slam
Welvang [6d\]: so basically yea
];B[sq]C[pancake [?\]: Lol. Well, you would both be underdogs ;)
];W[rg]C[r0n1n [2d\]: ko ko ko ko ko
zwim [5k\]: b2bomber powa !
Welvang [6d\]: do you think so ?
Lork [3k\]: can't b connect?
];B[rb]C[Welvang [6d\]: probably :)
Welvang [6d\]: but not impossible to win a few games
MajorTom [1d\]:  R2 needed?
pancake [?\]: That's true. ;) 
Welvang [6d\]: I mean, dusan should have win this game against pavol
Welvang [6d\]: if dusan can do it, everything is possible
Geser [-\]: o10 ?
pancake [?\]: Lol.
];W[rc];B[qd];W[pb];B[mi]
;W[qr]C[Doge101 [1d\]: black looks so far behind
];B[rr]C[gogonuts [4d\]: n11 to make catchting the tail even tastier?
r0n1n [2d\]: where are points in this game ?
Xavo [?\]: w lost
Korea4K [2d\]: no w good
Dangerous [2d\]: b need 5 moves there to save all his stone
Dangerous [2d\]: so basically r12 should be dead
pancake [?\]: Well, it's still ko..
aBot [?\]: 5 step ko
Dangerous [2d\]: yes but many stage for b
r0n1n [2d\]: w can get at least 3 moves outside, which seems enough for him
slim76 [1d\]: the ko is rridiculously hard for b
Dangerous [2d\]: r9 r1 t13 t4 t11 
gogonuts [4d\]: 2 step if w plays now
aBot [?\]: ko is good for w
gogonuts [4d\]: direct ko if w plays somewhere else
aBot [?\]: w play o10 to remove aji first?
gogonuts [4d\]: no no no
gogonuts [4d\]: capturing the tail makes o10 redundant
aBot [?\]: ic
Arhiman [3d\]: that q11 still looks weird to me
];W[ck]C[aBot [?\]: b is 1p???
Dangerous [2d\]: yes why ?
aBot [?\]: rare to see crawling on 1st line by professional
pancake [?\]: It would be good for b to start the ko now, I think. Winning it is sente and w just gave him a couple more kothreats.
];B[nj]C[gogonuts [4d\]: wow
KBAC [2d\]: here we go)
r0n1n [2d\]: all in
pancake [?\]: Oh damn b's not joking around here.
gogonuts [4d\]: both crazy :-)
gogonuts [4d\]: w tenuki was very aggressive
aBot [?\]: w s16 ok?
Dangerous [2d\]: but this is even more
gogonuts [4d\]: b o10 even more so
r0n1n [2d\]: those guys are nuts
Dangerous [2d\]: s16 s15 t17 
Doge101 [1d\]: w 60 point b 46~47 point
Dangerous [2d\]: s16 s15 t15 t17 sorry*
r0n1n [2d\]: guess it highly depends on the upcoming ko doge
Gor [3d\]: how did you find 60 pts for white?
zwim [5k\]: really ? no capture of p10. steel balls.
];W[pg]C[Doge101 [1d\]: S11 = dead I think b will gain max 10 point
Dangerous [2d\]: Oo
r0n1n [2d\]: oO
pollux1: b will attack h4 group as ko threats
r0n1n [2d\]: really?
thinkthink [-\]: w
Dangerous [2d\]: asking for resign ?
Welvang [6d\]: if b plays p8 i quit go
aBot [?\]: HA!
];B[qs]C[gogonuts [4d\]: q2 r9 t4 t13 t6 t11 is direct ko, isn't it?
Arhiman [3d\]: :)
r0n1n [2d\]: welcome back to go, Welvang
Welvang [6d\]: dayum
gogonuts [4d\]: what was q13?
pancake [?\]: what the hell is Q13? :/
x0000 [-\]: q13 gaining libs?
aBot [?\]: q13 fill lib
pancake [?\]: He doesn't need those libs tho..
gogonuts [4d\]: but made it direct ko
aBot [?\]: r9 now?
];W[qk]C[Welvang [6d\]: yup, q13 is one more terrible move by white
gogonuts [4d\]: r9 or t13
hehehihi [-\]: w is playing really fast though
Dangerous [2d\]: w short of time ?
pancake [?\]: No, b is
aBot [?\]: q13 is like a pass
];B[sp]C[KBAC [2d\]: q13 removes local threat
gogonuts [4d\]: i would have sworn he had that read out
pollux1: w really need to win ko. How many threats attacking h4
pancake [?\]: It is actually -1/2 point if w wins the ko ;)
Dangerous [2d\]: but still w has two locals at q2
gogonuts [4d\]: he must have at least been off by 1 step
x0000 [-\]: q13 didn't remove local threats
Welvang [6d\]: if w plays t7 a quit go
Welvang [6d\]: I*
gogonuts [4d\]: t7 or t6 and lose outright :-)
aBot [?\]: lol
];W[sg];B[sn]
;W[si]C[lengjing [2k\]: ah
aBot [?\]: let the fun begin
hehehihi [-\]: if b plays t7 i quit go
lengjing [2k\]: kooooo
r0n1n [2d\]: let the fun begin
x0000 [-\]: Lets see b's plan
Welvang [6d\]: not many ko threats
];B[cf]C[pollux1: if black know welvang quits go, he might play t7 instead of t6
Welvang [6d\]: only worked for white
aBot [?\]: ^
duelas [4k\]: can black win even if he loses the ko?
lengjing [2k\]: 14 points
x0000 [-\]: should w answer?
pancake [?\]: This might not be big enough?
];W[bf]
;B[sh]C[lengjing [2k\]: should
pancake [?\]: oh..
pollux1: difficult for w to answer
lengjing [2k\]: I think
r0n1n [2d\]: white has threats right?
Welvang [6d\]: but b has no ko threats
x0000 [-\]: q2 ?
Welvang [6d\]: and white has 3 local ko threats
pancake [?\]: But after this black has a couple more in that corner..
pollux1: b has attcking h4
gogonuts [4d\]: w can play moves in the ur
Welvang [6d\]: o11 , q2 , and s1 
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 30 min w
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 4 times b
KBAC [2d\]: b cat try yo enclosure h3 group
r0n1n [2d\]: what if o11 t9, won't the game be good for black Welvang ?
pollux1: is combination j6 + l5 good enough for black?
x0000 [-\]: t18 too
gogonuts [4d\]: i still can't believe q13
];W[ra]C[gogonuts [4d\]: "blunder" isn't enough
x0000 [-\]: or that
r0n1n [2d\]: can't black just accept to let w live ?
];B[rd]
;W[si]C[aBot [?\]: still need to fight
gogonuts [4d\]: no
];B[cc]C[Berden [6k\]: if w lives b lose
r0n1n [2d\]: is this even working ?
x0000 [-\]: Is it working?
];W[bc]
;B[sh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: if w connected there o10/p10 is nothing
r0n1n [2d\]: well now black kinda has threats
r0n1n [2d\]: time for q2 ?
Doge101 [1d\]: perhaps B2 is a ko threat too
];W[pr];B[or]
;W[si]C[hehehihi [-\]: is think b will ignore b2
];B[cb]C[Doge101 [1d\]: yes, last resort
r0n1n [2d\]: b16 ?
x0000 [-\]: b2 is not a threat
aBot [?\]: b18
r0n1n [2d\]: seems to me b18 gives many more threats to black
];W[bb]
;B[sh]C[r0n1n [2d\]: but oh well, i'm terrible i guess
Zerged [3d\]: many more as in 1 more? :>
aBot [?\]: o11
];W[rs];B[ps]
;W[si]C[SIscurge [5d\]: beautiful shapes
r0n1n [2d\]: well, my thought was that if black then c19 w could tenuki to take the ko
];B[be]
;W[bd]C[lengjing [2k\]: white can not lose the ko
];B[sh]C[r0n1n [2d\]: but i guess this doesn't give much more threats
hehehihi [-\]: what is the threat of w now
x0000 [-\]: n10 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: what's the use of a grand slam tournament, with moves like q13?
r0n1n [2d\]: t18 for another crazy ko ? c:
Gor [3d\]: t18 is picnic ko for black
poirette [1k\]: O11
];W[mj]C[r0n1n [2d\]: oh my god !
gogonuts [4d\]: good move
r0n1n [2d\]: i was just about to ask if n10 was better than o11 
aBot [?\]: efficient move
Uberdude [3d\]: wasn't b 109 s6 better at t6 for libs?
nikolash [23k?\]: o11
x0000 [-\]: Uberdude it was
Uberdude [3d\]: not like a pro to miss such a common tsuji
tarantool [1d\]: b must ignore
x0000 [-\]: actually at t5
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 3 times
Geert [?\]: b9 is stil a ko threat for b
];B[ni]
;W[si]C[r0n1n [2d\]: w will ignore it
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe diner want to win because of s6, so he played q13
Dangerous [2d\]: w has to take now
gogonuts [4d\]: didn't want
Doge101 [1d\]: Geert Groenen?
Geert [?\]: yep
Doge101 [1d\]: hoi :)
Geert [?\]: hoi
Geert [?\]: en jij bent?
tarantool [1d\]: i don't see the treats for b
flashback [4d?\]: L5
];B[bk]C[Doge101 [1d\]: Koen Schippers
Arhiman [3d\]: dinerstein wouldn't want to win because of something ? I can't see that happening
Geert [?\]: hoi Koen
];W[sk]C[gogonuts [4d\]: lol
gogonuts [4d\]: i know
];B[cl]
;W[dk]C[gogonuts [4d\]: so what about this result>?
];B[bi]C[Doge101 [1d\]: my prediction was b gains about 10 points... to my counting seems I was right :)
x0000 [-\]: can j7 hold?
];W[ak]C[Geert [?\]: feels like w is doing fine
];B[bj]C[Doge101 [1d\]: yes
Korea4K [2d\]: f11
Gor [3d\]: w ahead by komi?
hehehihi [-\]: was o11 worth it?
gogonuts [4d\]: b had more wasted moves than w, true
Doge101 [1d\]: H6
gogonuts [4d\]: o11 was a must
];W[ei]C[Korea4K [2d\]: f11
flashback [4d?\]: w far from ahead
Korea4K [2d\]: f1 better
Korea4K [2d\]: f11
gogonuts [4d\]: far ahead, or far from ahead?
Uberdude [3d\]: so w c9 mistake, should be b7? then b no threat there 
aBot [?\]: lol
DangHu [?\]: w too weak for this new pro..
Berden [6k\]: w want to make mid stronger
nikolash [23k?\]: f10 bet
Geert [?\]: it looks like b has a little more points on the board. But w is much stronger
Berden [6k\]: i thinkl
flashback [4d?\]: might be uber
];B[bo]C[nikolash [23k?\]: f 10
flashback [4d?\]: its like b got extra move at left 
flashback [4d?\]: seems to me
gogonuts [4d\]: c9 was frivolous should have made the ko an approach ko
Uberdude [3d\]: yeah, my tihnking too
Geert [?\]: b5 is strange
Korea4K [2d\]: w b5 slow coz w alive alreADY
flashback [4d?\]: base take move
Uberdude [3d\]: i like it, reverse sente
Uberdude [3d\]: aiming for double attack on k4
flashback [4d?\]: b want force w to run
flashback [4d?\]: so h4 will have a problem
gogonuts [4d\]: but unclear if w would want to take it
gogonuts [4d\]: because f8 would get touchier
Korea4K [2d\]: H18
nikolash [23k?\]: yes h18 goog
nikolash [23k?\]: good
gogonuts [4d\]: how about m10?
flashback [4d?\]: i think if b will play wel, he should win
Korea4K [2d\]: H18 SENTE
flashback [4d?\]: :)
flashback [4d?\]: sure?
x0000 [-\]: CAPSLOCK
];W[lj]C[flashback [4d?\]: that looks risky
flashback [4d?\]: now b choose how to pressure 2 groups
];B[li]C[flashback [4d?\]: ok ...
flashback [4d?\]: may be bfeels already well ahead
];W[kj]C[nikolash [23k?\]: L11
Korea4K [2d\]: L5
flashback [4d?\]: but after b5 i would like to see sharp move if w decide to play m10
];B[ji]C[flashback [4d?\]: this looks soft
];W[jj]C[flashback [4d?\]: was b5 just for own safety?
];B[ii]C[nikolash [23k?\]: b 5 is busy
HavucElma [3d\]: m5 
flashback [4d?\]: hm, propably really easy win fr b
flashback [4d?\]: in term of small margin :)
balafon [4k\]: they paired the two players that use the most time : )
];W[ho]C[Berden [6k\]: mhhh B K6 would be interessting
Berden [6k\]: well..
Berden [6k\]: without H5
];B[hk]C[SIscurge [5d\]: w ahead?
];W[hl];B[ik];W[il]
;B[gj]C[Nils007 [?\]: when m5 ?
Weishenme [4d\]: g11 
];W[fk]C[GrandSlam4 [-\]: 2 times
urtok [7k?\]: surma wins :)
Lork [3k\]: w will win by time XD
gfdhfff [1k\]: yea!
];B[gn]C[GrandSlam4 [-\]: 10 min for w
];W[jk]
;B[lo]C[grnk3r: who is leading?
flashback [4d?\]: b
Yasha2 [1k\]: b
Arhiman [3d\]: great !
gogonuts [4d\]: undeserved
gogonuts [4d\]: they both deserve to lose
Lork [3k\]: lol
Xbox720 [1d\]: lol
DangHu [?\]: w weak
Genghis [2k\]: gogonuts for the win
Xbox720 [1d\]: he was always weak is he not?
timeon12: saddly he is not there... i  wonder why ¨¨¨
Jna [?\]: does anyone knows the result between Mateusz and Catalin, please?
Lork [3k\]: we're all weak... this game is too difficult :P
DangHu [?\]: he always weak
tam1998 [2k\]: w won by half point
anton007 [-\]: lol
];W[fh]C[grnk3r: catalin lost
sagacius [1k\]: Mateusz +1.5
shiva [1k\]: W WINS THIS
];B[gg]C[Korea4K [2d\]: b wins anyway
];W[kr]
;B[lr]C[anton007 [-\]: w will win
Bombil [2d?\]: b will win
grnk3r: will win for sure
Xbox720 [1d\]: count the point if you want to know who is winning
fallweiss [2d?\]: b +5pts
sameasyou [2d\]: L6 and maybe w wins
shiva [1k\]: l6 
Korea4K [2d\]: w no chance
];W[kn]C[DangHu [?\]: yeah no chance
Bombil [2d?\]: ali's end game is amazing
Xbox720 [1d\]: i dont see w is winning this one
Bombil [2d?\]: i dont think that white will win
sameasyou [2d\]: Diner obviously reading the chat
];B[ln]C[Lork [3k\]: he would have win if he started reading the chat earlier
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 5 min w
Genghis [2k\]: I count black ahead by 4 to 6 points depending on who gets s18
Bombil [2d?\]: h18 is also quite big
goldtree [2k\]: this should be sente though?
flashback [4d?\]: Diner thinking how to win, may be some cheat with clocks?
Blondin [4k\]: Is m7 strong enough?
];W[dh]
;B[ap]C[Genghis [2k\]: I sure thought it was sente
Xbox720 [1d\]: what is komi, 6,5 or 7,5?
balafon [4k\]: 7.6
balafon [4k\]: 7.5 *
Blondin [4k\]: 7.5
Xbox720 [1d\]: thx
];W[sb]
;B[ko]C[fallweiss [2d?\]: D 12 really good
Xbox720 [1d\]: i count w 65.5, b 77 if im not wrong
];W[jo]C[shiva [1k\]: you're wrong
Korea4K [2d\]: h18
anton007 [-\]: i count b 60    w 56
Xbox720 [1d\]: okay,
];B[km]
;W[jn]C[timeon12: gote
timeon12: ?
];B[lm]C[GrandSlam4 [-\]: w reaches byoyomi
Blondin [4k\]: Thx
];W[jl];B[hb]
;W[ki]C[Blondin [4k\]:  And black time?
];B[kh]C[doodooface [2d\]: why did we protect k8?
];W[nh]
;B[mh]C[Genghis [2k\]: I think the d5 group is weak
];W[ia];B[ib]
;W[jb]C[doodooface [2d\]: unlikely
carma [5k\]: i think so. getting eyes here can take all points
doodooface [2d\]: everything is connected
];B[fb]C[Genghis [2k\]: now that white connected
Genghis [2k\]: it was cuttable before
Rasd [5d\]: w far behind
];W[eg]
;B[ef]C[Korea4K [2d\]: y
doodooface [2d\]: looks that way
doodooface [2d\]: almost 10 points
Ohno [?\]: didn't n12 loose a point?
];W[kq]C[Rasd [5d\]: i count more than 10 points
];B[ea]
;W[ca]C[redreoicy [4d\]: i didn't count but looking at the game seems like b has to lead based on mistakes
Genghis [2k\]: Blacks mistakes?
Rasd [5d\]: ok around 10 indeed
zwim [5k\]: o5 and j10 i can't choose
];B[no]C[anton007 [-\]: b+ 5-6 only
doodooface [2d\]: white 55+komi, black almost 70
Geert [?\]: I count b is ahead by 10.5
];W[gi]C[doodooface [2d\]: like either 68 or 69
];B[hi]C[Teylon [?\]: 10.5 sounds right
DangHu [?\]: AGA system?
tymak [-\]: w actually play some interesting moves....he is really almost pro strenght
DangHu [?\]: nahh
doodooface [2d\]: white is a pro though
];W[gh]C[Geert [?\]: almost?
];B[hh]C[DangHu [?\]: he just an amateur
doodooface [2d\]: he's been a pro for almost 20 years
tymak [-\]: w is "honorary" pro
Xbox720 [1d\]: european pro yeah
Geert [?\]: he is like 7 times european champion
Simplistik [3k\]: w 61.5 - b 72
Xbox720 [1d\]: he is no match to a real pro
doodooface [2d\]: black isn't a real pro either.
doodooface [2d\]: you realize
Korea4K [2d\]: honorary in korea
DangHu [?\]: i bet w cant beat top korean and china insei
doodooface [2d\]: if you want to say it that way
doodooface [2d\]: neither can black
darkroad [4d\]: top Chinese and Korean insei
darkroad [4d\]: r really strong
Koons [?\]: let's not be rude, folks
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 4 times for w
balafon [4k\]: ok, lee sedol crushes them both, and alphago crushes lee, everyone happy now ;)
LinuxGooo [3k\]: thats why they are 9P and not 1P :-) 
DangHu [?\]: its a fact
DangHu [?\]: not rude
doodooface [2d\]: insei dropouts win europeon championships.
Simplistik [3k\]: I always wonder why people are so keen to argue about the relative strengths of the players.
];W[kp]C[Thoravatar [3d\]: isn't that what tournaments are about
Genghis [2k\]: isn't that why they play Simplistick
carma [5k\]: lol.. top Chinese and Korean insei beat 9p go players on last LG qualification round =))
Thoravatar [3d\]:  :)
LinuxGooo [3k\]: its the personal need to explain the world, simplistik... a psyche thing. :-)
Korea4K [2d\]: yes
balafon [4k\]: there has to be something bigger than L4
Simplistik [3k\]: Results are a pretty guide to strength. And black is winning.
];B[lp]C[Koons [?\]: If Ali or Alexandre were bragging about how strong they were, then maybe it would be fine to put their skills down, but neither brag, that I've seen
Teylon [?\]: Korean pro loses against top insei too =p
LinuxGooo [3k\]: now its all about reduction... good endgame skills and counting required.
doodooface [2d\]: game is over kid
Geert [?\]: indeed
Geert [?\]: game is over
Koons [?\]: instead we just acknowledge that all Western pros still have a way to go. And that is okay
doodooface [2d\]: black by 7
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 3 times for w
indianayk [3d\]: i count b wins by 2.5 or 3.5 points 
];W[bh]C[doodooface [2d\]: it might come down to that.
DangHu [?\]: try beat Lurk(Kejie) in tygem..
];B[fj]C[Simplistik [3k\]: Interesting. w leads by more than 10 at the moment
doodooface [2d\]: black can play a bunch of easy moves to win
Simplistik [3k\]: Sorry, black does
doodooface [2d\]: you should actually count the points.
doodooface [2d\]: its not 10
Xbox720 [1d\]: well i thought b have an easy win but it seems like its close after all.
Simplistik [3k\]: I counted it to be 11.5 like 5 moves ago.
zwim [5k\]: f13
];W[dj]C[Ohno [?\]: kind of funny that w played c3 in the opening, but that the corner is b's territory
Korea4K [2d\]: b endgame bad
Uberdude [3d\]: there are probably plenty of pros that dinerstein could beat, it's jsut you've never heard of all the weak low dan or old pros
];B[bm]C[Korea4K [2d\]: b lost 3-4pts by endgame
];W[fg]
;B[ff]C[Uberdude [3d\]: you only hear of lee sedol and other top pros
balafon [4k\]: i guess we'll have to count again
];W[ci]C[flashback [4d?\]: g7
Korea4K [2d\]: b12 was big
];B[fm]C[indianayk [3d\]: yes, b12 was
];W[fn];B[fo]
;W[en]C[zwim [5k\]: black advance is melting.
];B[hm]C[doodooface [2d\]: interesting. se has game very close even after i remove all the fake points
Simplistik [3k\]: It's still bigger than komi
];W[ai];B[al];W[ah];B[aj];W[fq]
;B[fr]C[doodooface [2d\]: ah
doodooface [2d\]: its chinese rules
doodooface [2d\]: thats why se is all over the place
SuperSonic [1d\]: t16
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 2 times for w
Welvang [6d\]: pretty sure b win big
zwim [5k\]: ithat's why i use zen se. it was b+10 at early yose, it is now around b+4 
zwim [5k\]: yet, there are still many reductions for w.
];W[ls]C[Welvang [6d\]: no it will be +5 
];B[ms];W[ks];B[is];W[js]
;B[hs]C[doodooface [2d\]: its around 6 points
fab [4d?\]: +8.5
fab [4d?\]: anyway, it's over
LinuxGooo [3k\]: I get w + 3.5 :-) 
];W[mn]C[doodooface [2d\]: 58 + komi and 70
aBot [?\]: chinese rules
Simplistik [3k\]: Are you forgetting komi Lin?
];B[mo]C[hehehihi [-\]: t16 
Thoravatar [3d\]: reverse komi Simplistik?
Simplistik [3k\]: Oh, he said w!
Simplistik [3k\]: Sorry :)
Thoravatar [3d\]:  :)
doodooface [2d\]: its a single digit lead for black
indianayk [3d\]: b +2.5
];W[ha];B[ga]
;W[ja]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: if I play through the game offline... and then count, will the result be correct ? :-) 
doodooface [2d\]: at least 5 point lead
Korea4K [2d\]: Ke Jie said if komi 6.5 i will white
hehehihi [-\]: c13
Thoravatar [3d\]: t16 ko for the win? :P
doodooface [2d\]: wellthats not true
doodooface [2d\]: just a 5 point lead
];B[cg]C[Simplistik [3k\]: b+5.5
doodooface [2d\]: all other points are black
DangHu [?\]: w.181.5 b187
doodooface [2d\]: everythingis forced sente
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 1 tim left for w
];W[gl]C[aertan [4k\]: b wins right?
];B[gm]C[aertan [4k\]: pretty big
Weishenme [4d\]: t16
];W[in]C[aertan [4k\]: like 7 poits
];B[ch];W[di]
;B[sd]C[doodooface [2d\]: thats weird.
];W[sc]C[doodooface [2d\]: if white just answers at d11, there was no point in playingaway j6 in the first place
lengjing [2k\]: b wins many points
DangHu [?\]: calmdown
];B[kl]
;W[mg]C[lengjing [2k\]: etwa 7
];B[nd];W[da]
;B[fa]C[zwim [5k\]: J6 was a hige mistake from white.
];W[sm]C[doodooface [2d\]: j6 didn't change a single point
];B[iq];W[jr];B[sl];W[lh]
;B[lg]C[aBot [?\]: its chinese rules. so it did have 1 point
];W[sm];B[ae];W[ad];B[sl];W[nk];B[lh]
;W[sm]C[doodooface [2d\]: no
doodooface [2d\]: there was no net gain or loss of points
];B[mm]
;W[nn]C[zwim [5k\]: there was loss of sente which is worse
];B[ml]C[tymak [-\]: when playin acording chinese rules, isnt better fill all dame point and then play last ko?
doodooface [2d\]: there were no points left on the board
];W[lk]
;B[sl]C[doodooface [2d\]: everything was sente for black
Thoravatar [3d\]: tymak no
];W[mr]
;B[ns]C[aBot [?\]: ko always bigger than dame
];W[sm];B[im];W[jm]
;B[sl]C[Blondin [4k\]: Not for a dame-zumari^^
];W[ao];B[an]
;W[sm]C[zwim [5k\]: i don't understand ko threat like n2 while there is still j10 avail
];B[af];W[ag]
;B[sl]C[doodooface [2d\]: this is stubborn.
aBot [?\]: still a threat
];W[br]C[balafon [4k\]: it does not really matter in what order they are played
];B[bs]
;W[sm]C[aBot [?\]: yea
doodooface [2d\]: clearly black white has counted no?
aertan [4k\]: i mean one point is enough as threat :P
Simplistik [3k\]: I would assume both players no the score.
TDK [?\]: j10 makes f11 a threat without giving e10 back
Simplistik [3k\]: *know
];B[be];W[ae];B[sl]
;W[nr]C[sinojos [8k\]: 3p and 1p who don't know score? lol
];B[os]C[doodooface [2d\]: both players should know the score and the number of threats.
];W[sm]C[doodooface [2d\]: its an impossible ko for white
aertan [4k\]: w got pretty many threats left though
doodooface [2d\]: or did i miscount the threats?
];B[oo]C[aertan [4k\]: e5, s15 
aBot [?\]: you miscount
balafon [4k\]: well, maybe it's not impossible, but it's futile
Dangerous [2d\]: clearly w will regrtet q13
aBot [?\]: q13 is a pass
];W[dl]C[doodooface [2d\]: what the hell is going on.
Simplistik [3k\]: White likes playing endgame.
Weishenme [4d\]: not polite move d8
doodooface [2d\]: are you required to play until the end?
carma [5k\]: hmmm.. it's chinesse rules and this ko not important. isn't it?
carma [5k\]: captured stones not counted
aBot [?\]: chinese rules. yes have to play until the end
Simplistik [3k\]: Resigning isn't an option?
aBot [?\]: it is
Simplistik [3k\]: Well then...
];B[dm]C[aBot [?\]: captured stones counted as points too
Welvang [6d\]: tss ali
Welvang [6d\]: t15
Welvang [6d\]: for chinese rules <.<
Bombil [2d?\]: who is winning?
doodooface [2d\]: if i were black i would fill in my own territory
aBot [?\]: think they are not used to chinese rules
Simplistik [3k\]: black leads
];W[fi]C[Welvang [6d\]: haha they are don't worry
Welvang [6d\]: ali basically live in china
aBot [?\]: ic
doodooface [2d\]: maybe the transcriber can't keep up
doodooface [2d\]: this should be done very quickly.
];B[eo]C[aBot [?\]: no f8?
grnk3r: chinese rules are just completly $%&%
brx [7k\]: does ali live in china? i thought he is israeli
];W[el]C[Simplistik [3k\]: f8 isn't anything, is it?
indianayk [3d\]: this part of the game is hard to understand in chinese rule
];B[sl]C[Bombil [2d?\]: he is israeli
Bombil [2d?\]: but he study go in china
Simplistik [3k\]: Having one nationality and living in another country is possible. :)
Goyer [?\]: why not j10?
brx [7k\]: good for himm
];W[gf]C[doodooface [2d\]: this is just silly.
aBot [?\]: who?
Goyer [?\]: why?
Kuros [3k\]: what?
Korea4K [2d\]: why play ko?
doodooface [2d\]: its a ko that black can't win.
];B[ge]
;W[sm]C[doodooface [2d\]: normally you would just fill the dame and end.
aBot [?\]: lol you said impossible for w just now
doodooface [2d\]: i don't know why there are still going.
];B[hn];W[co]
;B[sl]C[balafon [4k\]: nobody does
];W[hg]
;B[ig]C[IonutC [5k?\]: where can we see the results/
sinojos [8k\]: abot, dont let facts confuse kibitz
];W[sm]C[IonutC [5k?\]: ?
Welvang [6d\]: it easy
doodooface [2d\]: of course white started it.
];B[ip]
;W[io]C[aBot [?\]: t15
];B[sl]C[Welvang [6d\]: white keep the ko, because if he fills the last dame while there is still the ko
Welvang [6d\]: black takes but don't have enough ko threats
Liso66 [?\]: http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
Welvang [6d\]: and then he loses one more point because he has to pass
IonutC [5k?\]: thanks Liso
Welvang [6d\]: it's just about have one more stone on the goban
aBot [?\]: q13 losing move
];W[re]C[Welvang [6d\]: but anyway, b win by 5 even if he loses the ko so whatever
];B[se]
;W[sm]C[zwim [5k\]: score stays stable for a while around b+4.5
Bombil [2d?\]: Artem won that is nice for him
];B[hj]C[Welvang [6d\]: it's very nice for europe, all new pro win
rats [2d?\]: there are too many empty dame for white to continue this strategy
];W[sl];B[mk];W[of];B[ll];W[og];B[sf];W[ej];B[ij];W[dg];B[fp]
;W[fl];B[kk];W[do];B[pe]
;W[oe]C[rats [2d?\]: scribe doing well
honku [1k\]: the difference in point isn't that big as one would say looking at the board
honku [1k\]: *points
aBot [?\]: b+5.5
Geert [?\]: Result?
Korea4K [2d\]: yet counting
AlphaGo9p [-\]: according to http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2015.html Ali Jabarin is "Thrid" ;)))
GrandSlam4 [-\]: w 174
GrandSlam4 [-\]: black wins
carma [5k\]: how many pooints black has?
kyyni [3k\]: 361-174
zwim [5k\]: 5.5
Liso66 [?\]: thanx for marathon granslam! :)
hvk [4d?\]: ?
Bombil [2d?\]: Yalla Ali
grnk3r: 5k at math - inspiring
aBot [?\]: kyyni is correct
kyyni [3k\]: i mean. 361-174-3,75
kyyni [3k\]: (half the komi)
hvk [4d?\]: B+5/5?
kyyni [3k\]: which is more than 180,5, so black wins
aBot [?\]: yes b+5.5 
aBot [?\]: but chinese rules is count by which side having more than 180.5
hvk [4d?\]: TX 
Bombil [2d?\]: in how much matush won?
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