(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]GN[Grand Slam Quarterfinals Board 1 - Dusan Mitic [6d\] (b) VS Pavol Lisy [1p\](W+Res)]PW[Pavol Lisy]PB[Dusan Mitic]WR[1Svalbard]BR[6Peruvian]DT[2016-04-29]EV[2nd European Grand Slam]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Ishii [2k?\]: hey hey :) overslept? :D
GrandSlam1 [-\]: no, the schedule just changed yesterday! sorry for that
Ishii [2k?\]: oh okey ^^
Liso66 [?\]: pairing still not decided? 
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Pavol vs Dusan
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Dusan won the Nigiri and chose black
]RE[B+Resign];B[pq]
;W[qd]C[redreoicy [4d\]: Go cheater!
];B[dd];W[dp];B[oc];W[qo]
;B[pl]C[nadee [9k\]: cheater is pavol lisy?
Yasha2 [1k\]: yes
];W[no]C[nadee [9k\]: and whos the other one
];B[qp]C[nadee [9k\]: why no handicaps?
Yasha2 [1k\]: i dont know
Welvang [6d\]: it's dusan
U [?\]: why would there be handicap in tournament
gogonuts [4d\]: tournament
pandalomo [7k\]: thats why he's a cheater
nadee [9k\]: oh okay
SIscurge [5d\]: s6
olly [7k\]: no public cheating
learyghost [2k\]: this is a tournament for serious cash prizes
GrandSlam1 [-\]: It's a tournament for 10k prize money with the best european players available. There is no handicap for this ;)
];W[pn]C[Welvang [6d\]: anyway, 1p means 7d egf basically, so it's not such a big difference
Welvang [6d\]: sometimes can mean 8d tho ^^
nadee [9k\]: anyone we know in the other games?
gogonuts [4d\]: some of us
learyghost [2k\]:  they pesumably only invite those who can ~ stayin in an even game
SIscurge [5d\]: i prefer s6 to q6 mhm
];B[mq]
;W[pi]C[jv [3d\]: q11 looks like nice flow for W 
gogonuts [4d\]: r4 for q6 seems dubious now
SIscurge [5d\]: why?
gogonuts [4d\]: corner not worth strenthening w, imo
Camoulox [4k?\]: looooong game
];B[nl]C[gogonuts [4d\]: watch blitz then
SIscurge [5d\]: w cannot fix himslef in the corner now, seems good to me 
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a Videostream of this Game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1
olly [7k\]: m5 ?
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general Information about the Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
softy [1k\]: 4 such interesting games hard to keep up with
gogonuts [4d\]: yeah, already had to sacrifice twitch :-)
softy [1k\]: p4 would be the bent square joseki :)
];W[lp]
;B[mp]C[gogonuts [4d\]: i don't see how w can do anything but block
gogonuts [4d\]: remarkable place to think
jv [3d\]: the pauses to think on moves like this puzzle me a bit
mtarn567 [6k\]: and get cut,  already a fight. 
jv [3d\]: surely he considered n4 before playing m4
jv [3d\]: so, what is there to think of now?
gogonuts [4d\]: no, saying oops m4 can be cut :-)
mojomonkey [6k\]: oh man there are go broadcasts on twitch?
gogonuts [4d\]: https://www.twitch.tv/Grandslamboard1
mojomonkey [6k\]: neat
mtarn567 [6k\]: no doubt it's important to save those stones,  otherwise b gets big corner. 
mtarn567 [6k\]: already has big corner lol
SIscurge [5d\]: palko considering p3
GrandSlam1 [-\]: both players left the board
jv [3d\]: nie
Camoulox [4k?\]: n4 nice
gogonuts [4d\]: might be looking at s4
pandalomo [7k\]: they left to board to come on kgs :D
SIscurge [5d\]: in this variation professionals played m4 on m5 (two times)
Liso66 [?\]: m6 - played on video 
SIscurge [5d\]: and played m4 when O8 was not there
Liso66 [?\]: seems scriber too on smoking pause :P 
gogonuts [4d\]: pull yourself together scribe, you're on board 1
];W[ln]C[GrandSlam1 [-\]: I was just working on the camera. However I was able to remember one whole move ;)
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
Hobbes [1k\]: "scribe like a pro"
gogonuts [4d\]: these guys are a lot more careful than I would be
gogonuts [4d\]: my plan would be to wedge m5 and see what happens :_)
olly [7k\]: I would m5 l5 n5 n6 and go for thickness as white
GrandSlam1 [-\]: It's a 10k prize money. I guess they won't risk that "to see what happens" ;)
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe they should losen up :-)
];B[lo]C[Liso66 [?\]: but it is also difficult to plan what oponent will play ;)
];W[ko];B[mo];W[mn]
;B[kn]C[gogonuts [4d\]: i don't see how this gets bad for b
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a Videostream of this Game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general Information about the Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
GrandSlam3 [-\]: broadcasted on  https://www.twitch.tv/Grandslamboard1
olly [7k\]: ok, did not see the cut coming
gogonuts [4d\]: cut was a must
olly [7k\]: m8 now and attack those 2 stones ?
gogonuts [4d\]: you can't keep threatening it and then not do it at the last moment
olly [7k\]: hm
gogonuts [4d\]: problem is that L5 is a pretty big stone
pretorium [12k\]: i wonder what would happen if hikaru appeared @ Grand Slam?
gogonuts [4d\]: and those 2 b stones are hard to actually catch
IonutC [5k?\]: In which country is this tournament?
gogonuts [4d\]: germany
gogonuts [4d\]: berlin
SIscurge [5d\]: there is a small problem around p6 too
IonutC [5k?\]: Danke im vorab
GrandSlam1 [-\]: true gogonuts
Mneme [2k\]: k5 l7 n8 ?
Mneme [2k\]: pretorium: Hikaru Nakamura ?
];W[jo]C[gogonuts [4d\]: at answering n4, the importance of the match had a negative effect on w, imo
IonutC [5k?\]: Which is the rank of dusan?
gogonuts [4d\]: it's not a lost fight ofcourse
GrandSlam1 [-\]: 6d
gogonuts [4d\]: but ws hands are fuller than bs :-)
olly [7k\]: black is 6d
Mneme [2k\]: how would you play instead of n4 gogonuts ?
IonutC [5k?\]: Thanks
SIscurge [5d\]: dusan is a genius that learnd go at the age of 1.5 years, he need no rank :P
gogonuts [4d\]: i meant the answer to n4
gogonuts [4d\]: block n5
mtarn567 [6k\]: L7? 
gogonuts [4d\]: can't avoid strife at that point
Mneme [2k\]: ok
Mneme [2k\]: yes I would do block at n5 (but that doesn't mean it's good)
GrandSlam1 [-\]: they all are dressed very well today.
gogonuts [4d\]: o6 o7 n7 possible?
gogonuts [4d\]: are they afraid of martin stiassny?
Welvang [6d\]: afraid ^^?
Hobbes [1k\]: is any comment on these games planned?
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe they have grown up :-)
GrandSlam1 [-\]: there is no way Pavol is afraid of anyone
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, welvang
gogonuts [4d\]: what do you think of immediate o6?
tymak [-\]: against o6 just simply o7 p6 p7 no?
GrandSlam1 [-\]: there will be no braodcasted comments @Hobbes , but there will be a live Comment at the tournament place on Saturday and Sunday. So feel free to visit the china cup in berlin tomorrow, where the GrandSlam tournament is hold as well, to see the live commantary
gogonuts [4d\]: my suggestion was o6 o7 n7 
Hobbes [1k\]: oh thx... I'll come for sure
Hobbes [1k\]: buuuuut it's just 1500km far away than my usual go club, now that I think of it
];B[nn]C[tymak [-\]: still...seems like too many cutting points in b position to actually put w in pressure
];W[nm];B[mm];W[on]
;B[lm]C[gogonuts [4d\]: please promote me :-)
];W[nn]
;B[km]C[olly [7k\]: this looks like trouble ?
Hobbes [1k\]: I would not try closing Pavol in a cage, ever
Mneme [2k\]: the result looks good for black
gogonuts [4d\]: w has s4
gogonuts [4d\]: so not deep trouble
gogonuts [4d\]: but b nice, imo
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Sorry to hear that Hobbes, but I didn't know where you live, so there was a chance you werer close at least.
Mneme [2k\]: still a long game
poiuytre: s4
SIscurge [5d\]: isnt this terrible for white? O.o
gogonuts [4d\]: iwould say winning chances now even :-)
Hobbes [1k\]: yeah, just jocking, I hope a lot of people will enjoy it
Welvang [6d\]: quite terrible indeed
olly [7k\]: maybe its a new joseki
HiBeat [2k\]: Do not doubt the pro player
Mneme [2k\]: that can't be joseki
Welvang [6d\]: w didn't see this cut for sure
Hobbes [1k\]: buuuut... why don't you think about streaming the live commentary?
SIscurge [5d\]: yeah I think so too
gogonuts [4d\]: i think w saw the cut coming but hoped it wouldn't happen :-)
];W[rp]C[gogonuts [4d\]: it's all the fault of m6 - fake light shape
];B[rq]C[SIscurge [5d\]: this guys are not naive gogonuts :P
SIscurge [5d\]: these*
GrandSlam1 [-\]: the internet at this place only has a upload of 300kbp/s. So we prioritize on streaming the video of the 1rst board.
Hobbes [1k\]: I see, thx for all the info
gogonuts [4d\]: well, he didn't really think about thesqueeze when he played m6
Hobbes [1k\]: b*
gogonuts [4d\]: but I'm sure soon after
];W[ql]C[SIscurge [5d\]: the worst part about this is that k5 cuts nothing
Welvang [6d\]: hm white can cut if hane
SIscurge [5d\]: then q10?
tymak [-\]: btw, has already start side team tournament or they play just weekend?
Welvang [6d\]: i have no idea
LinuxGooo [3k\]: poor Berlin... cant afford speedy Internet :-) 
gogonuts [4d\]: true, r9 not really working so great
Welvang [6d\]: yes scurge q10 seems good :)
gogonuts [4d\]: but the position just has to be good for b :-)
GrandSlam1 [-\]: @tymak : the China Cup will start on Saturday. Normal humans have to work on Fridays ;)
gogonuts [4d\]: another interesting option is at q15 - but that's a erading festival
Punyferret [7k\]: you mean unnemployed people are not normal humans ? :D
a1328 [3k\]: nice kiss R8?
gogonuts [4d\]: f4 or so also interesting
gogonuts [4d\]: b like a kid in a candy shop right now
GrandSlam1 [-\]: @LinuxGooo : Berlin indeed has some serios internet infrastruckture problems at some central parts still.
gogonuts [4d\]: but if he can't chose, maybe he gets nothing :-)
LinuxGooo [3k\]: :-)
];B[hn]
;W[lq]C[gogonuts [4d\]: J6 was too slow, but this h6 looks well considered
Hobbes [1k\]: is l2 and tenuki possible?
Hobbes [1k\]: I mean
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1 . Please report any stream problems to me
gogonuts [4d\]: tenuki not useful
Hobbes [1k\]: the whole l2 seq is sente?
Welvang [6d\]: I don't like h6 at all
Welvang [6d\]: will be a shape to fix later
Hobbes [1k\]: m2**
Welvang [6d\]: probably black will waste a move
gogonuts [4d\]: i like it because it helps in the center, and w has so satisfying move below
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general information about the 2nd European Go Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
Welvang [6d\]: it's not really helping, it gives a cut
redreoicy [4d\]: i approve of h6
Welvang [6d\]: black has to to something on the right side absolutely
];B[lr]C[redreoicy [4d\]: why
SIscurge [5d\]: I also dislike h6, there wasnt a need to do something fancy in this situation
Hobbes [1k\]: oh so I'll discover if this is sente
gogonuts [4d\]: i think its ok despite the trouble it leaves for b
Welvang [6d\]: because if w ad a move for example q9
gogonuts [4d\]: because the immediate problems for w seem bigger to me
Welvang [6d\]: then black group is just weak, with the cut at j7
Welvang [6d\]: and w makes points
redreoicy [4d\]: w doesn't need to add a move though
Welvang [6d\]: he does
redreoicy [4d\]: if black r9 whtie q9 is fine no
Welvang [6d\]: r9 q9 q10 
Welvang [6d\]: is painful in anyway, maybe lead to a ko
];W[pp]
;B[qq]C[redreoicy [4d\]: right now white has the ladder, can extend
SIscurge [5d\]: triple hane probably not possibl
Welvang [6d\]: r9 q10 p9 p8 r10 r7 s9 s8 
gogonuts [4d\]: right now the focus has switched to the bottom
Welvang [6d\]: is at least ko, and maybe b has better
gogonuts [4d\]: it really seems tough for w to coordinate the bottom group with d4
];W[nr]C[Meruem92 [3d\]: fancy move
Meruem92 [3d\]: but does it work....?
poiuytre: k3
gogonuts [4d\]: L2
ben0 [6d\]: no, just connect
gogonuts [4d\]: n2 p3 ok?
ben0 [6d\]: yep
ben0 [6d\]: maybe k3 after connect
ben0 [6d\]: should be ok
ben0 [6d\]: black can still live with s5
GrandSlam1 [-\]: I just saw Pavol with a smile on his face! 4-29 Never forget
gogonuts [4d\]: does that trade the corner for capturing w at the bottom
ben0 [6d\]: nope is alive
gogonuts [4d\]: that was a grand slam
ben0 [6d\]: b*
Meruem92 [3d\]: immediate k3 looks better than connecting at n2 first to me...
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Dusan looks like he didn't expect this move and takes his time.
Geert [?\]: If b k3, then w n2, bl4 and w s5. The b corner is in problem then
ben0 [6d\]: yep
ben0 [6d\]: thats why connecting is important i think
gogonuts [4d\]: sure, pavol smiled the ambush smile :-)
Geert [?\]: Yes, but what after b n2, w will play p3?
ben0 [6d\]: then k3 for b
Meruem92 [3d\]: doesn't p2 simply live after that?
ben0 [6d\]: if w s5 then b should be alive with q2
Meruem92 [3d\]: after the k3 variation
Geert [?\]: agree
ben0 [6d\]: i think ko, meruem
redreoicy [4d\]: if p2 it's ko
redreoicy [4d\]: w o3 l3 p3
Rorentsu [12k\]: Isn't that the l-shape that is not alive or does the stone on r4 make a difference?
GrandSlam1 [-\]: pavol didn't smile towards Dusan - that would be disrespectful, he just left the room and returned with a smile on his face when entering. Than he swapped back to his normal threatening glance.
Rorentsu [12k\]: With black q2
Meruem92 [3d\]: ok
Meruem92 [3d\]: yep...
ben0 [6d\]: it's a bit wider than the l shape, rorentsu
redreoicy [4d\]: the l shape isn't alive, but white has to play at p2 to seperate
redreoicy [4d\]: and then black's descent is still setne
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1 . Please report any stream problems to me
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general information about the 2nd European Go Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html 
Rorentsu [12k\]: ah, k, thx
gogonuts [4d\]: i can't quite read the clock on twitch - did b use a lot more time?
eric1010 [?\]: thanks you grandslam !
Rorentsu [12k\]: 34 to 58 I think
GrandSlam1 [-\]: b 1:34 | w 1:58
redreoicy [4d\]: but black is going to lose a lot of points like this in the q2 variation
Kountch [1k\]: Is L4 possible?
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
Liso66 [?\]: is it 1:35 - 1:58? 
gogonuts [4d\]: wasn't sure if b had over an hour :-)
Liso66 [?\]: ah sorry - you just wrote it
redreoicy [4d\]: l4 l3 and what is your idea
Rorentsu [12k\]: maybe l4 l3 k4 to threaten both the ladder on top and below, but it doesnt work
];B[nq]C[gogonuts [4d\]: no way
Kountch [1k\]: L4 did not work
];W[mr]C[gogonuts [4d\]: this is terrible
];B[kp]C[gogonuts [4d\]: ah
Welvang [6d\]: :)
gogonuts [4d\]: sry
Rorentsu [12k\]: why is the twitch stream way behind the kgs? ^^
gogonuts [4d\]: did see the simple L4
Liso66 [?\]: who is in blue trousers sometimes near to board?
Meruem92 [3d\]: still...it helps w a bit much imho
];W[kq]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: hm... starting so early a local fight which might decide about the whole game... terrible. Dont like it. :-) 
];B[kr]C[redreoicy [4d\]: nothing wrong with that
GrandSlam1 [-\]: @Rorentsu : twitch min delay is about 10 seconds for video encoding, if you are behind way more, you might consider refreshing the page.
];W[jq]C[redreoicy [4d\]: have to be ready to go all in to play
LinuxGooo [3k\]: yeah, I know it from Wbaduk and Korean style... 
Rorentsu [12k\]: nono, 10s seems about right, didn't know that the encoding takes so long
LinuxGooo [3k\]: are you streaming on twitch.tv ?
];B[or]
;W[jr]C[GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1 . Please report any stream problems to me
LinuxGooo [3k\]: tks
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general information about the 2nd European Go Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
Kountch [1k\]: The streaming is fine.
redreoicy [4d\]: this strength is so nice for w
gogonuts [4d\]: not as terrible as i first thought, but still asignificant success for w
redreoicy [4d\]: after h6 didn't expect white to get so much shape
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Rorentsu : pretty much all the streaming services have that amount of delay.
gogonuts [4d\]: h6 has lost its punch
];B[qk]C[Welvang [6d\]: ...
Welvang [6d\]: I don't know how you think but if feel it's pretty good for black
LinuxGooo [3k\]: if black targets center, you mean ? :-)
Kountch [1k\]: I also prefer black right now.
ben0 [6d\]: je me dis quand même qu'il aurait pu avoir mieux
gogonuts [4d\]: overall b still better, i guess
Welvang [6d\]: well, if w has a good answer to this move
redreoicy [4d\]: i feel it was already good for black at the start, but o2 made h6 into a bad move
gogonuts [4d\]: but i was looking for more
];W[pk]C[Welvang [6d\]: h6 was bad move anyway x)
gogonuts [4d\]: that's easy to say now :-)
Welvang [6d\]: maybe not it is okay, because when black will take o1 he can aim at j4etc
gogonuts [4d\]: i know you said it before too
Welvang [6d\]: nowµ
gogonuts [4d\]: but w getting this solid position at the bottom was surprising to me
redreoicy [4d\]: ^^ normally expect black to get thickness in his attack
Welvang [6d\]: indeed, o3 was suprising
LinuxGooo [3k\]: its always the same... watching chess players in the park on the big chess boards with the kids height figures, all people around did know the mistakes and propper moves much earlier than the players themselves... right ? - Strange effect. 
ben0 [6d\]: i want the double atari for b
ben0 [6d\]: s8 answer than q10
ben0 [6d\]: booyah
gogonuts [4d\]: kibitzes are always smart-a**
ben0 [6d\]: (and it kind of works
Welvang [6d\]: bah non
Welvang [6d\]: y'a que q10
softy [1k\]: dáccord
Hobbes [1k\]: I think j4 aji is quite nasty
ben0 [6d\]: c'est pareil au final
Welvang [6d\]: nope, s8p8 
gogonuts [4d\]: the places they think make me nervous
gogonuts [4d\]: b had to expect the cut
LinuxGooo [3k\]: j4 is a 1kyu move by sure *laugh*
ben0 [6d\]: bah t'es content de prendre non ?
Welvang [6d\]: bah non le groupe de noir est tout pourri
];B[pj]C[Welvang [6d\]: et h6 c'était vraiment de la mouise
Welvang [6d\]: là blanc est presque mort
ben0 [6d\]: ouais h6 c''était pourri
olly [8k\]: black knows his atari
Mneme [2k\]: what would you do instead of o Welvang ?
Hobbes [1k\]: sometimes move are so obious that even a 1k can spot them... so you don't :-))
LinuxGooo [3k\]: hm
Mneme [2k\]: o3*
Welvang [6d\]: q10 is really good
Rorentsu [12k\]: is w o6 group in trouble?
Welvang [6d\]: for a long time now, yes
];W[ok]C[Welvang [6d\]: but if w can fight the ko, who knows
Mneme [2k\]: which ko ?
];B[ol]
;W[qj]C[chlow: w R10 ko?
Welvang [6d\]: this one
Mneme [2k\]: ah
Welvang [6d\]: r7 s9 s8 s7 r9 
Welvang [6d\]: and white has p3 and o4 as ko threat
Kountch [1k\]: why is O1 needed before J4?
Geert [?\]: can b extend at s9?
Pinguschaf [?\]: whats wrong with simply s9? is the kore even required?
Pinguschaf [?\]: ah, nvm :)
softy [1k\]: s9 r7
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Ali Jabarin 1p (last year's champion) entered the room and is spactating this game
softy [1k\]: not sure about r7
chlow: isn't better to play S9?
chlow: shicho is good for B
Welvang [6d\]: s9 s8 then?
softy [1k\]: pretty sure
Liso66 [?\]: there are not all boards in same room? 
Welvang [6d\]: which ladder :)
xxxxxttt: Last year champ was shikshit 
gogonuts [4d\]: yes s8 would protect
chlow: ah sorry
chlow: no shicho
GrandSlam2 [-\]: there are 2 boards per room
softy [1k\]: s9 r7 p10 o9 r11 s10 s11 o10 perhaps semeai
GrandSlam1 [-\]: @Liso66 Board 1+2 and 3+4 are in seperate rooms.
Welvang [6d\]: r7 s9 s8 s7 r9 p3 p4 r8 s6 q7 r9 o4 p3 r8 t7 
softy [1k\]: not o10 n9 then o11
erikk [-\]: r7 s9 s6
Welvang [6d\]: i feel like w is toasted but probably it's acceptable sacrifice with all these ponuki
GrandSlam1 [-\]: oops xxxxxxtlt: Seem's like my meromy played a trick on me. Sorry for that!
SIscurge [5d\]: b can extend no?
chlow: s9 s8 s10 r11 s11 r13 r7 s7 s6 r6 s7 q7 s8 r7 s5
ben0 [6d\]: i dont see how
ben0 [6d\]: s9 s8
ben0 [6d\]: seems hard
softy [1k\]: s9 s8
Mneme [2k\]: hard for who ben0 ?
softy [1k\]: yes
SIscurge [5d\]: s9 s8 s10 r11 p10 o9 n9 o10 s11 s12 r12 
ben0 [6d\]: for my readind but mostly hard for b
SIscurge [5d\]: and if no block with s12  then R7 and connect
];B[rk]C[ben0 [6d\]: wait
ben0 [6d\]: if black turn
ben0 [6d\]: then just take
];W[rl]C[chlow: until here, we are both correct, Slscurge ;-)
SIscurge [5d\]: mhm
SIscurge [5d\]: actually w may hane at s12 and be fine? i am not sure
];B[oj]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b game going down the drain?
chlow: w has a chance to S10 now
redreoicy [4d\]: s12 doesn't look fine, balck has the cut
ben0 [6d\]: r7 was probably better
ben0 [6d\]: b is making it too complicated here
];W[nk]
;B[rj]C[SIscurge [5d\]: its never a good idea not to finish palko of when you have the chance, I like blacks bold play
chlow: w has a chance to N9 ;)
Welvang [6d\]: "hope black didn't forget that connecting on the first line also mean damezumari at q7
Welvang [6d\]: because it would be painful
softy [1k\]: n9 wouldn't hurt
redreoicy [4d\]: well, black still can get n9 atari
Berden [6k\]: Time?
softy [1k\]: n9 kikashi?
fh [3d\]: n9 s11
softy [1k\]: or aji keshi
gogonuts [4d\]: twitch lagging big time now
erikk [-\]: connecting on the first line does
erikk [-\]: not work
Berden [6k\]: what? there are go games on twitch?
HappyFeet [4k\]: twitch is being kinda twitchy
Rorentsu [12k\]: Sometimes, a few
GrandSlam1 [-\]: fixed the stream, CPU was at a 100%. Made the stream great again.
Rorentsu [12k\]: Usually no more than 50 viewers on go on twitch though
gogonuts [4d\]: :-)
Welvang [6d\]: thanks
gogonuts [4d\]: th
gogonuts [4d\]: x
Rorentsu [12k\]: except if dwyrin streams
chlow: I would play N9 here
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1 . Please report any stream problems to me
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LinuxGooo [3k\]: Pavol in suite ?
Liso66 [?\]: according to video I guess 1:11 - 1:57 (but it is unbelievable to me that Dusan spent 24 minutes and Pavol 1 for last moves - maybe I see it wrong) 
softy [1k\]: n9 might give 3
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Pavol looks very undecided
];W[mk]C[Rorentsu [12k\]: I think it's 1:50 vor pavol
gogonuts [4d\]: what was the trap?
Rorentsu [12k\]: for pavol*
SIscurge [5d\]: unprecise sequence by b
GrandSlam1 [-\]: time is: b 1:16 | w 1:47
gogonuts [4d\]: or is this just safe and good?
redreoicy [4d\]: placks p10 was probably wrong timing
redreoicy [4d\]: black can still r11 though
redreoicy [4d\]: seems ok trade
chlow: can B still play R7?
chlow: it would be cool
softy [1k\]: take r11
softy [1k\]: at r11
redreoicy [4d\]: yeah r7 first is cool
chlow: but B has to come back to N8...
GrandSlam1 [-\]: both players left the board
Rorentsu [12k\]: GrandSlam1: the stream is very far behind right now, I'm at 1:48 time for white (after refreshing)
gogonuts [4d\]: last chance to play it
redreoicy [4d\]: r7 s7 s6 r6 t8 q7 t7 r7 r11 looks good
redreoicy [4d\]: don't come back to n8
redreoicy [4d\]: just play r7 out then take r11
Rorentsu [12k\]: White still hasnt made his move on the stream
GrandSlam1 [-\]: try refreshing @Rorentsu that should fix the problem
Rorentsu [12k\]: already did
Rorentsu [12k\]: You're just tricking me into watching more commercials
chlow: yes ponnuki is ok
rollstory [1k\]: b r11?
redreoicy [4d\]: then white takes n8 and still isn't 100% alive
redreoicy [4d\]: first play r7 sacrifice, then r11
Welvang [6d\]: have to fear the weak because they have nothing to lose
Welvang [6d\]: go dusan :p
r0n1n [2d\]: fear me
Rorentsu [12k\]: So I am to be feared?
Rorentsu [12k\]: neat
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Mitic turned up his sleeves - its getting serious
Punyferret [7k\]: yeah but you have to fear lwer kyus
rollstory [1k\]: why didnt w r11?
];B[ml]C[ben0 [6d\]: w looks toasted
Hobbes [1k\]: did I said "don't try to get Pavol in a cage"? oh yes I did
];W[qi]C[chlow: oh oh
chlow: I hop black has a plan
softy [1k\]: maybe r7 was better than s8
redreoicy [4d\]: oh b didn't take the easy way to continue the game
learyghost [2k\]: here goes?
ben0 [6d\]: plan is easy
redreoicy [4d\]: going for the knockout blow instead
ben0 [6d\]: push to get more libs
Curi [24k?\]: b lost
ben0 [6d\]: than r7
redreoicy [4d\]: s11 and cut
gowei1982 [?\]: kejie
ben0 [6d\]: then*
chlow: but W will block at S12
ben0 [6d\]: then cut
];B[ri]C[ben0 [6d\]: w cant contain
chlow: ah?
ben0 [6d\]: thx to the shisho
softy [1k\]: but hard to kill a dragon with a dachshund
Welvang [6d\]: right
Welvang [6d\]: thx to the geta
Welvang [6d\]: :p
redreoicy [4d\]: thanks to the liberty shortage
r0n1n [2d\]: Thanks to me
gogonuts [4d\]: hard for w to block
Rasd [5d\]: w screwed
redreoicy [4d\]: all kinds of reasons why cut works
gogonuts [4d\]: and if w doesnt block, r7 works
softy [1k\]: just r13
];W[rn]C[Uberdude [3d\]: so maybe w just s6?
redreoicy [4d\]: yes
r0n1n [2d\]: but can't w live locally ?
Uberdude [3d\]: as b can't resolve outside in 1 move
r0n1n [2d\]: eeh
ben0 [6d\]: but now n1 is sente
redreoicy [4d\]: really disagree with n8 choice
Hobbes [1k\]: after s6 I think the bad aji start hanging on b
redreoicy [4d\]: r7 sacrifice and r11 was much better
SIscurge [5d\]: h6 somehow not at at right spot
redreoicy [4d\]: after white takes n8, whtie still wouldn't be alive
ben0 [6d\]: well considering how the game is going, h6 is not that bad anymore :D
];B[qh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: r12 q12 q13 
Welvang [6d\]: it still is i think ^^ 
];W[oi]C[gogonuts [4d\]: lol
SIscurge [5d\]: ts gonna get cut
gogonuts [4d\]: ah
gogonuts [4d\]: w avoiding b dbl hane
ben0 [6d\]: obv
r0n1n [2d\]: go can be complicated
chlow: not clear if P10 was good, then
Hobbes [1k\]: cna b just r14?
];B[qf]C[Welvang [6d\]: well, something sure : b could kill w group with the ko
Rorentsu [12k\]: yes ;)
woebegone [-\]: go is finite, finite should be simple
Welvang [6d\]: w would have get sente and a few ponnuki, but still better for b
Rorentsu [12k\]: 10^180 is pretty close to infinite
];W[od]C[Rorentsu [12k\]: at least as far as humans are concerned
SIscurge [5d\]: so somehow some way palko survived the first round
U [?\]: by not even playing in it. best way
Hobbes [1k\]: go is not a human worry anymore, just wait google slove it
Rasd [5d\]: b shouldve played the r7 squeeze first
U [?\]: hobbes plz
GrandSlam1 [-\]: reading their face expression during the last move a players imaginary dialogue would be: "Man I hate this mathc" - "Me too, man, me too"
U [?\]: chess isnt even close to solved
Rorentsu [12k\]: 10^180 is even too big for computers to completely figure it out
r0n1n [2d\]: haha, nice
Welvang [6d\]: i'm not sure Rasd
Welvang [6d\]: hm maybe a bit better yes
Rasd [5d\]: w would've lived, but b would get s13 sente
Hobbes [1k\]: U, didn't I say "wait"?
Welvang [6d\]: anyway b takes o1 sente is so painful
Rasd [5d\]: which is a pretty big difference
Welvang [6d\]: I still prefer to get o1 sente than s13
U [?\]: if you want to wait about 200 years, sure
U [?\]: but you act like itll take a few months
Rorentsu [12k\]: Hobbes: there is more possible go games than there are atoms in the universe, so I reckon it would still take google quite some time to figure out the game ;)
Hobbes [1k\]: now it's your time to be un realistic
gogonuts [4d\]: tide has turned in ws favor, imo
chlow: if go is infinite, life is more infinite
Jadeite [5k\]: Rorentsu, many of those moves are really bad moves though :P
Berden [6k\]: i dont think P6 ios good. :/
redreoicy [4d\]: you don't have to list ever game to have a perfect strategy
Rasd [5d\]: ah o1 sente is pretty nice indeed
r0n1n [2d\]: c'mon guys, i didn't want to start this endless and meaningless talk again 
U [?\]: yeah im way past sick and tired of people talking about a bot
chlow: trolling is infinite, too
];B[qm]
;W[rm]C[Hobbes [1k\]: Sir bot, for you ;-))
SIscurge [5d\]: black should get for a walk imio
U [?\]: nope still a useless bot
SIscurge [5d\]: go*
Rorentsu [11k\]: Go is love, go is live
LinuxGooo [3k\]: prize money in total 23,000 Euros... thats pretty attractive for the new Go pros, hm ?
gogonuts [4d\]: t4 does help now ...
Rorentsu [11k\]: what
Rorentsu [11k\]: I just got 11 kyu
Rorentsu [11k\]: even though I did nothing
LinuxGooo [3k\]: its no more about only "love" 
OneMoveMan [4d\]: wow 11kyu by talking  o.o
Kayres [2k\]: u rank up when u watch games!
U [?\]: oh boy linux is here to go on another of his insane rants
Jadeite [5k\]: lol
Hobbes [1k\]: kgs take kibitz seriously
SIscurge [5d\]: in czech language "love" means money actually :)
Rorentsu [11k\]: lol
r0n1n [2d\]: happens, if some opponent you defeated ranked up
Rorentsu [11k\]: Oh, really? Interesting
Zonked [3d\]: rorentsu, you must have said something smart in kibitz, cause alphago nowdays handles kgs ranks, and it monitors kibitz when deciding the ranks for players.
LinuxGooo [3k\]: ah... again one of these "guest trolls" like U
Rorentsu [11k\]: I see
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1 . Please report any stream problems to me
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general information about the 2nd European Go Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
chlow: how to you say "all you need is money" in czech?
chlow: do*
Hobbes [1k\]: Siscurge... that will explain a lot of misunderstanings on websites like "czech singles looking for love"
SIscurge [5d\]: well love is actually slang
SIscurge [5d\]: haha yeah
];B[sp]C[Rorentsu [11k\]: can white even live locally?
Zonked [3d\]: yes
Kayres [2k\]: p4 is sente
Rorentsu [11k\]: oh, yah, p4, tru
Meruem92 [3d\]: but it's a sente that gives up o2
poiuytre: p4 sente w
SIscurge [5d\]: why is black playing this?
hamador [11k\]: w P4
Rorentsu [11k\]: Damn, I'm 11k now, I need to say smarter things
Hobbes [1k\]: to play j4 ?
Zonked [3d\]: sisc, timesuji obviously :)
poiuytre: p4 better for b
zyklop [1k\]: w seems on ko now
gogonuts [4d\]: w hates to have to play p4
Zonked [3d\]: w is consider ko
Zonked [3d\]: he has some local threats too
GrandSlam1 [-\]: i rarely saw a game both players are unconfident about. However reading the players faces this definitly is one.
];W[op]C[poiuytre: w p4-q7
];B[ns]C[chlow: sente profit
Rorentsu [11k\]: That's nice of black, leaving that ko threat for w
Rorentsu [11k\]: but I guess it was the best move
Zonked [3d\]: rorentsu, but b has to clear up n2 stones eventually anyways, now he got a free move to do so
Zonked [3d\]: so saved 1 point
SIscurge [5d\]: w wants to Q13 if he can
gogonuts [4d\]: it's not just the 2 stones - this also has impact on the bottom as a whole
GrandSlam1 [-\]: made some adjustments to the stream. Hope it working better for now.
];W[pm]
;B[ip]C[chlow: here is the impact
Hobbes [1k\]: move 48 Hobbes [1k\]: I think j4 aji is quite nasty
learyghost [2k\]: p16 long forgotten
snowman [-\]: aji?
softy [1k\]: g3?
LinuxGooo [3k\]: twitch isnt high performant, so my experience... for the future maybe its better to take Youtube live channel. :-)
poiuytre: h3
Zonked [3d\]: w could play q13 now
];W[io];B[ho];W[hp];B[gp]
;W[hq]C[U [?\]: twitch is a lot better than youtube
Hobbes [1k\]: aji beacuse b needed to make o1 sente before it athierwise was pointless
U [?\]: id ignore linux
Ohno [?\]: b still has a shape problem
Ohno [?\]: around j7
Zonked [3d\]: its ladder now
Zonked [3d\]: can still cut with ugly j6
Zonked [3d\]: but j7 ends up in ladder
Ohno [?\]: I wasn't saying w should play j7
Zonked [3d\]: g8 maybe to fix
Zonked [3d\]: tho I think b will play g3
rollstory [1k\]: g3 possible? or is there any big trouble with the cut
GrandSlam1 [-\]: I have experience on both youtube and twitch and i found twitch more stable esspeacially for low quality streams. Also until recently you were not allowed to braodcast this on youtube due to a copyright problem.
LinuxGooo [3k\]: yeah, lawyers can make our daily lifes difficult :-) 
learyghost [2k\]: what does g3 do?
];B[in]C[Hobbes [1k\]: g3 is gote
LinuxGooo [3k\]: anyhow... the stream on twitch gives a little idea about both player's mind status observing their body languages :-) 
Berden [6k\]: y
Hobbes [1k\]: but now g3 is big for w
rollstory [1k\]: w got to g3 now
Zonked [3d\]: suprised b choose j6 to fix..
Zonked [3d\]: why not g8 or something?
learyghost [2k\]: what is the time situation?
Luffyy [3d\]: more solid
GrandSlam1 [-\]: i just think there is another employer in the building that currently uses some upload bandwidth as well making the stream difficult.
Hobbes [1k\]: c6 also doable for w
Hobbes [1k\]: od d6
Zonked [3d\]: wonder if f4 would be overplaying
Punyferret [7k\]: still favoring black ? i can't tell
Zonked [3d\]: rly scary for b to resist it, considering what happens to b dragon
];W[og]C[Pinkeltje [14k?\]: Given that g3 connects for w, why try f4 anyway? Just a lot of aji...
Mneme [2k\]: still good for black ?
];B[of]C[Zonked [3d\]: p14 suprising..
Zonked [3d\]: feel like I dont know anything about go looking at this move
Zonked [3d\]: w q17
Kayres [2k\]: thats what I was thinking everyday when I was studying maths
];W[rg]C[Zonked [3d\]: kayres, I got around that problem by accepting I dont know anything about math and just relying on mathematica to do all the dirty work
r0n1n [2d\]: ok now i'm really confused
Zonked [3d\]: b went from living shape to half eye only
gogonuts [4d\]: -1.5 eyes in sente :-)
LinuxGooo [3k\]: has S13 the function to bind black's energy there locally and push b into overconcentration to rescue S11 stones ?
r0n1n [2d\]: was he supposed to play s13 instead ?
gogonuts [4d\]: i think so
r0n1n [2d\]: ok, ty
r0n1n [2d\]: maybe i'm being blind, but i don't feel like black is ahead
gogonuts [4d\]: nobody said b still doing great after w s13
];B[qg]C[GrandSlam1 [-\]: time: b 0:52 | w 1:33
LinuxGooo [3k\]: white just would need 2 moves to get control over center play and weaken b's L7 stones, hm ?
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1 . Please report any stream problems to me
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general information about the 2nd European Go Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
];W[nc]
;B[nh]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: after that endless fight, O17 felt like tenuki :-) 
];W[ni];B[oh];W[mh]
;B[ng]C[r0n1n [2d\]: that's quite a long joseki, i have to say
];W[rf];B[rh];W[qe];B[lf]
;W[kh]C[Hobbes [1k\]: looking at UR b should resign
gogonuts [4d\]: if Madona were looking at bs actual profit, she'd say "that's not a lot, Santa baby"
GrandSlam1 [-\]: the players body language expresses they both feel confident about this game once again.
Hobbes [1k\]: confident about who is leading?
];B[gq]C[Uberdude [3d\]: is l13 shape for b, or bad exchange? i worry about n15
Uberdude [3d\]: i suppose b could n12 and run it, so w won't dare yet
gogonuts [4d\]: g3 is very bg, but w can ignore
];W[dn]C[Hobbes [1k\]: I would d6
Hobbes [1k\]: oh .... late
gogonuts [4d\]: uh, oh listened to you :-)
Hobbes [1k\]: but I did say it 25 moves ago 
Hobbes [1k\]: when we first discussed about g3
];B[cl]C[Hobbes [1k\]: I guess w will pincer
gogonuts [4d\]: pincer looks adventurous
SIscurge [5d\]: I beg to disagree
HappyFeet [4k\]: the way this game is going, it would be dishonorable not to start a new fight here now
gogonuts [4d\]: d8 or e7 is the choice, imo
Hobbes [1k\]: Sis how do you dare to disagree a 1k on fire?
SIscurge [5d\]: just like I did
Punyferret [7k\]: with some water maybe ?
Uberdude [3d\]: i predict d11 !
SIscurge [5d\]: ;-)
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Pavol looks uncomfortabel about c8
SIscurge [5d\]: Alright, I guess c3
gogonuts [4d\]: my feeling is e7
Dangerous [2d\]: i guess d2
woebegone [-\]: c11
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1
Hobbes [1k\]: d11 seems nice but a part form a pincer I can't choose the proper one
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general information about the 2nd European Go Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
kmlck [-\]: d6 c8 combination is one of the most annoying positions in go
];W[el]C[Punyferret [7k\]: but with the kibbitz ranking up theory, you should be 1d by now HObbes :D
Hobbes [1k\]: oh just that-.-
gogonuts [4d\]: thats looking for trouble :-)
Hobbes [1k\]: I dont' like this
erikk [-\]: Pavol like trouble..
Uberdude [3d\]: pavol is siming g5 cut
Hobbes [1k\]: you can't have only one target as here w has
Uberdude [3d\]: aiming
];B[dj]C[Hobbes [1k\]: unless....
snowman [-\]: perhaps the whole black group...
Hobbes [1k\]: w play d12 or c12 now
gogonuts [4d\]: i dont like d10
Hobbes [1k\]: why?
gogonuts [4d\]: it has a poor oposition if w ever fixes with d8
gogonuts [4d\]: so b cant really aim at ws keima
Hobbes [1k\]: I guess b was worried of being pressed otherwise
];W[dl]C[gogonuts [4d\]: see?
rollstory [1k\]: g5 cut does not work yet
Hobbes [1k\]: indedd
Hobbes [1k\]: g5 cut can be just small
gogonuts [4d\]: now w profited from e8 instead of e7
LinuxGooo [3k\]: so pitty now
Hobbes [1k\]: as long as b center doesn't die
LinuxGooo [3k\]: b lost its chance to cut via E7 which I'd have played first instead of D10
LinuxGooo [3k\]: looks like b's strategy - so far existed - is blown up now to enclosure white in the center. 
];B[cm]C[Hobbes [1k\]: I thought this was not possibile
];W[cn]C[GrandSlam1 [-\]: Dusan *smashed* C7 on the board
];B[dk]C[Zonked [3d\]: what happens from w g5?
kmlck [-\]: g5 c3 i guess
Zonked [3d\]: and you feel like the b dragon is healthy enough to survive?
kmlck [-\]: dragons never die so yes
calypso [?\]: g5 doesnt work
calypso [?\]: geta
kmlck [-\]: right
];W[eq]C[Zonked [3d\]: which geta was that?
kmlck [-\]: g5 f5 g6 f7 
calypso [?\]: f7
sprouts [1k\]: Some sente against h2, will be fine 
kmlck [-\]: nice one calypse, it looks so obvious now that you mention it
sprouts [1k\]: K2
Hobbes [1k\]: will b f6 now?
Zonked [3d\]: there is the issue with k6, but I gues its b priviledge so doesnt matter
kmlck [-\]: k6 is absolute sente
Dangerous [2d\]: w seems to be well ahead here
duelas [4k\]: g7?
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Lunch probably is starting soon
Hobbes [1k\]: maybe c3-f6 combo
kmlck [-\]: its nice how e3 also fixed e6 cut
duelas [4k\]: but black doesnt have much space to live
GrandSlam4 [-\]: lunch is already here
GrandSlam4 [-\]: but nobody to takeour place
sprouts [1k\]: Tengen
];B[fc]C[Dangerous [2d\]: b need 35 points on the left to win. I don't think he will get them
duelas [4k\]: do he need that much?
Dangerous [2d\]: w already around 60 points
];W[kk]C[duelas [4k\]: oh sorry u meant on the left
Zonked [3d\]: its dangerous predicting outcomes
Dangerous [2d\]: b has 15 points on bottom right and around 4 on right side
];B[hr]
;W[iq]C[Hobbes [1k\]: yeah my uncle died because he prdicted an outcome
];B[fn]
;W[bk]C[duelas [4k\]: black around j12 seems like keypoint to me
Hobbes [1k\]: he said "I think I'll won this round of russian roulette"
Dangerous [2d\]: b9 Oo
Zonked [3d\]: b10 b11
Zonked [3d\]: is what w expects I think
Uberdude [3d\]: maybe f17 should have been l10?
duelas [4k\]: black jumps at f10?
Zonked [3d\]: uberdude, ya would look better, l9 area crucial for both groups eyespace
Dangerous [2d\]: don't let w take c9 duelas
Dangerous [2d\]: it's just too big
Liso66 [?\]: 0:32 - 1:12 ? 
Mneme [2k\]: black is still ahead ?
duelas [4k\]: but black have potential to kill white imo
Uberdude [3d\]: l10 aims m11, so i think w might need to answer at k13
Dangerous [2d\]: imo w is ahead
duelas [4k\]: if white let black f10 and not response
];B[ck]C[Uberdude [3d\]: duelas, you are a dreamer
];W[en];B[fr]
;W[gm]C[duelas [4k\]: now white gets the push on top, its hard now
];B[fq]C[Zonked [3d\]: c11?
Zonked [3d\]: probably no chance w e2 is sente
Zonked [3d\]: if it is, obv play it
];W[ep];B[gn];W[il];B[jn]
;W[jp]C[snowman [-\]: funny live group
GrandSlam1 [-\]: true @Liso66
Zonked [3d\]: apparently b cant d2?
Hobbes [1k\]: w bottom group is one of the less efficient, a part from just grapes group
Zonked [3d\]: cause j8 dont looks valuable enough if w loses corner, connecting two live groups, meh
gogonuts [4d\]:  one of the more efficient if the b group doesn't make it :-)
];B[er];W[dr]
;B[hl]C[Zonked [3d\]: both are making 2 points, white group has 12 stones, black group has 20
IonutC [5k?\]: Looks like b is dead
Zonked [3d\]: b is alive
Zonked [3d\]: j1 k1 g1 for easy local life
eric1010 [?\]: j2
eric1010 [?\]: ko
Zonked [3d\]: sure, and zilion local ko threats
];W[hk]C[snowman [-\]: j1, l1
pancake [?\]: j1 l1 g1 is alive if he needs it 
pancake [?\]: ;)
snowman [-\]: comes with a price
pancake [?\]: too much probably
erikk [-\]: k7 2nd eye
];B[ds]C[Zonked [3d\]: invest in e1?
gogonuts [4d\]: i would :-)
grnk3r: k7 is an eye if you can make 3 moves in a row
rsun [6d\]: zen can kill this group
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
];W[cr]C[Punyferret [7k\]: so is G7 plus you get a stone xD
Rorentsu [11k\]: e1 f1 j1?
Rorentsu [11k\]: meh
];B[gl]C[Rorentsu [11k\]: oh, yah, black can just go out then I suppose
grnk3r: w enclosing is enough
];W[gk]C[Uberdude [3d\]: so f17 looking like a big mistake now
Blondin [4k\]: J7
Punyferret [7k\]: if white wins like this, would that make H6 the loosing move ?
redreoicy [4d\]: no
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general information about the 2nd European Go Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
];B[jl]C[gogonuts [4d\]: i think d10 was very problematic - the passive c11 would actually have put more pressure on w, because w wouldn't have had such an attractive fix for his keima
rollstory [1k\]: w seems settled an can start to break b's area
];W[ik]C[litchee [-\]: w's group shape on bottom side is awesome :)
gogonuts [4d\]: w is currently having a good time
];B[jk]
;W[jj]C[Liso66 [?\]: ET
Zonked [3d\]: ya, b owes a move
Blondin [4k\]: Black live in gote....
Zonked [3d\]: and b rly doesnt want to payit
rsun [6d\]: why push?
gogonuts [4d\]: to give w atari at L8?
Blondin [4k\]: Lol
rsun [6d\]: lol
duelas [4k\]: is there anything if black k11 k10 f9 combo?
Zonked [3d\]: f l8 is answered b would live in sente, sort of
Blondin [4k\]: J7.... plz
duelas [4k\]: i mean k11 j10 f9
rsun [6d\]: who's the strongest italian go player
Zonked [3d\]: rsun, the prisoner from davincis demons?
gogonuts [4d\]: bs mood must be as bad as ws is good
Blondin [4k\]: Pizzaman
];B[ij]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b had such a fine start, that it's disappointing to have it swing like this, even against a stronger player
Xavo [?\]: Galileo
Zonked [3d\]: l8
];W[kl];B[jm]
;W[ji]C[Zonked [3d\]: oh, maybe not, o9 gets captured
Zonked [3d\]: ah well, was thinking of atari and then h7
];B[fl]
;W[fk]C[Uberdude [3d\]: rsun, pavol actually lost against an italian a few weeks ago in the european league
Xavo [?\]: who?
Welvang [6d\]: blunder
Welvang [6d\]: what a loss ^^ 
Uberdude [3d\]: Alessandro Pace 3d
Uberdude [3d\]: he almost lost to me the next match too
];B[fo]C[Uberdude [3d\]: i had big lead but threw it all away and then some
gogonuts [4d\]: you got cheated
Uberdude [3d\]: got greedy
Xavo [?\]: sum beat Ali?
rsun [6d\]: that's a really strong 3d
Xavo [?\]: pors lost face.
Meruem92 [3d\]: in italy it's hard to overcome the dan ranks
Punyferret [7k\]: why specificaly in italy ?
Uberdude [3d\]: alessandro lost to bruno from uk, who is a strong 3d going on 4d
Meruem92 [3d\]: if alessandro moved to germany, he'd become 4d in no time
Uberdude [3d\]: so it's not like he is a 6d
Meruem92 [3d\]: there are so few players in italy, everybody knows each other and the GoR increases too slowly
Zonked [3d\]: time to tenuki for w
Zonked [3d\]: leave the rest as forcing moves
];W[dh]C[Zonked [3d\]: as ko threats*
OneMoveMan [4d\]: i'm not costant o.o (ale), but thx for caring about me
Punyferret [7k\]: My goal is tobecome a strong dan player... through my child that i don't have yet :)
OneMoveMan [4d\]: however the italian champion is not me actually, it is Matias Pankoke 4dan
Liso66 [?\]: my goal too
Meruem92 [3d\]: nobody said you were the italian champion
Meruem92 [3d\]: tsk
Welvang [6d\]: i heard italians dan players are german players who couldn't get the german champion title and move to italy
];B[ch];W[cg]
;B[bh]C[Xavo [?\]: lol
gogonuts [4d\]: makes sense :-)
OneMoveMan [4d\]: :,D
];W[dg]C[Welvang [6d\]: sorry, too easy troll ^^ 
];B[ce]C[Liso66 [?\]: interesting that no german player in last 12 for grandslam isnt it? 
gogonuts [4d\]: if you don't cash in on the easy ones, you might as well stop trolling :-)
];W[bg]
;B[bj]C[gogonuts [4d\]: man, w is having a good time here
LinuxGooo [3k\]: living costs are too high in Germany, that it might attract Go players to focus onto time intensive Go studies
Dangerous [2d\]: if w can have m17 game will be setteld imo7
Punyferret [7k\]: no chance for b to comeback ?
];W[ei]C[duelas [4k\]: it is like white will win by the points he can make in the middle
Xavo [?\]: Don't British play go?
gogonuts [4d\]: no, but they have alphago
gogonuts [4d\]: :-)
LinuxGooo [3k\]: a Romanian Go Pro who wins the prize money of  10,000 Euros can live for 2 years from it in Romania. In Germany maybe 10 months. 
SIscurge [5d\]: I think Palko will win this
Meruem92 [3d\]: do they deduct taxes from the price money?
LinuxGooo [3k\]: sure
LinuxGooo [3k\]: its income
gogonuts [4d\]: can't really live on 1000/month in germany
IonutC [5k?\]: Linux the time changed in Romania. With 10k u live also 10 months
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, ionut
skwisgaar [3d\]: i live on 660 a month in germany xD
skwisgaar [3d\]: poor me
LinuxGooo [3k\]: lonutC, I have a good friend in Romania, she is journalist... she toldme, that people in average have an income less than 300 Euros in Romania, isnt so ?
gogonuts [4d\]: that covers your rent and health care?
gorussia [3k\]: often it is
IonutC [5k?\]: It depends. I am 29 and i have more. If u live in Bucharest isn't quite cheap
];B[pc]C[IonutC [5k?\]: Bucharest is like Berlin
gogonuts [4d\]: impotant fight
gogonuts [4d\]: b not clear in the center yet
LinuxGooo [3k\]: hm... low rents in Berlin decreased heavily
gorussia [3k\]: then try Petrosani
gogonuts [4d\]: so w not amused that b wants the corner
];W[nb]
;B[qc]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: where is Petrosani ?? Sounds like an Italian wine ;-) 
snowman [-\]: a little reading exercise
Punyferret [7k\]: sounds like champoo more like
IonutC [5k?\]: If u live in a small village u van live with 300$ but in the capital is not the same..yeah petrosani is a dead city...
gorussia [3k\]: it is a purer area in romania
LinuxGooo [3k\]: or motor oil :-) 
];W[rc];B[rb]
;W[rd]C[gorussia [3k\]: old industrial area. noewerdays nealry dead. no work at tall
gorussia [3k\]: at all
IonutC [5k?\]: Well there are the same dead cities in other parts of the world...
LinuxGooo [3k\]: so long you have quick internet accountt in such poor regions, a GO pro does not need lots more... :-) 
Xavo [?\]: W is dominating this game.
qazqaz [3k\]: this seems scary for w
gogonuts [4d\]: the deal is - b gets nothing?
skwisgaar [3d\]: b had nothing in the first place 
gogonuts [4d\]: :-)
skwisgaar [3d\]: but now he has less
hehehihi [-\]: he's making w stronger though
LinuxGooo [3k\]: b got a very wrong timing in this game... his long queue off worthless stones around L7 become now very pricely, hm ?
Punyferret [7k\]: we need a bosy language check (can't watch the stream)
Punyferret [7k\]: body*
GrandSlam1 [-\]: yeah, we are dropping frames. can't do anything about that , sorry.
r0n1n [2d\]: can we have a link to the stream again ?
honku [1k\]: https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1 . Please report any stream problems to me
r0n1n [2d\]: ty
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general information about the 2nd European Go Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
Punyferret [7k\]: @Grandslam1 no i mean i can't watch the stream from work :D
GrandSlam1 [-\]: I see Puny
Punyferret [7k\]: so your body language explanations are very nice
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Pavol's just waliking around the small room
gogonuts [4d\]: watching their hair with 2 min. delay isn't so enlightening
qazqaz [3k\]: can b just take something around m17 in sente?
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is not much to read at Dusan's face right now, he's just thinking and holding his chin
];B[pa]C[GrandSlam1 [-\]: black 5 minutes left
LATE [1k\]: why would anyone name themselves Pavol?
woebegone [-\]: soooo complicated
GrandSlam1 [-\]: pavel just facepalmed 
GrandSlam1 [-\]: "argg"
younme1991 [5k?\]: is there any live stream for this game?
gogonuts [4d\]: that's a good move for the corner - but the center is unclear
gogonuts [4d\]: q19 is nice
Punyferret [7k\]: trust the shape uh ?
gogonuts [4d\]: pavel isn't the only one who missed it, i missed it too :-)
Jadeite [5k\]: late, I think parents usually name children :P
Welvang [6d\]: why is it a good move
LinuxGooo [3k\]: seems like a capturing race between Q17 and R15, hm ?
];W[sb]C[Welvang [6d\]: t18 not working ?
hehehihi [-\]: i dont see how b lives
];B[pd];W[pe];B[oe]
;W[nd]C[gogonuts [4d\]: ahem, if this works for w, it wasn't good :-)
Vindicare [3k\]: neither does B I think
GrandSlam1 [-\]: There is a video stream of this game at https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1 . Please report any stream problems to me
GrandSlam1 [-\]: For more general information about the 2nd European Go Grand Slam see http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
];B[qa]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: black has one liberty more
r0n1n [2d\]: No !
woebegone [-\]: t15 ?
r0n1n [2d\]: Pavol has changed of haircut !!!
LinuxGooo [3k\]: b can play T17
Denmla [3k\]: ko?
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Pavel scratching his head " arrrr"
gogonuts [4d\]: that is the kind of move where the go world used to write "painstaking"
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Pavol*
gogonuts [4d\]: i think it's another suji
Welvang [6d\]: it's not bad :)
];W[ob]
;B[pb]C[Grominet [2d\]: oh didn't get it first
Kobor42 [?\]: Seki?
r0n1n [2d\]: surely not
r0n1n [2d\]: ko or black dead, w can't accept a seki
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Pavol's hand is aiming for the ko
Geert [?\]: nice sequence for b
];W[sc]C[GrandSlam1 [-\]: changed his mind
LinuxGooo [3k\]: hm, not good for b now 
];B[se];W[ra];B[sa]
;W[re]C[skwisgaar [3d\]: t17 is nice
Welvang [6d\]: that's a lot of steps
LinuxGooo [3k\]: t17 should have been b's move 
skwisgaar [3d\]: y but did he have time
r0n1n [2d\]: seems to me white has quite some threats on the board
];B[lc]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: 2nd big corner for white
];W[ra]C[pancake [?\]: You would call the lower left big?
Dangerous [2d\]: where is the first one ?
Dangerous [2d\]: lower left is 10 points
Vindicare [3k\]: on another goban
r0n1n [2d\]: 10 points indeed
gogonuts [4d\]: linux, b could never take it
rollstory [1k\]: s19 mis?
Vindicare [3k\]: biggest 10 points in go history
];B[gf]
;W[jf]C[Punyferret [7k\]: if one has 10 big points then he wins over one that has 10 smal points ?
hehehihi [-\]: was g14 good?
Vindicare [3k\]: white made a skull at K4
Vindicare [3k\]: bad omen?
pancake [?\]: He can ask the judge to get the point scale to measure how big they actually are
Xavo [?\]: B has no hope.
LinuxGooo [3k\]: this is not seafarer romanticism, Vindicar :-) 
pancake [?\]: If they turn out to be big enough, he just might win.
Dangerous [2d\]: this corner will be big if w get both b7 and c1
Punyferret [7k\]: i see
Punyferret [7k\]: i realse i didn't fully grsp go rules till now :D
Punyferret [7k\]: grasp*
Zonked [3d\]: w sone around h17 would allow w to totaly empty the topleft corner
LinuxGooo [3k\]: yeah, question of timing, Dangerous... positive thinking, and it might be 14-15 points
pancake [?\]: They'll teach you the second halve once you turn 1d.
Dangerous [2d\]: but bet w will get two yose move in the same area is a bit optimistic 
];B[id]C[pancake [?\]: Dangerous: C1 is b's sente so you should always count as if B took it
Punyferret [7k\]: i was told that getting to dan level is just realising how bad you actually are at the game
pancake [?\]: Corner's just 12 points
pancake [?\]: That's another thing, ferret. ;)
Mneme [2k\]: which go rules you did not understood Punyferret ?
rollstory [1k\]: c17
Punyferret [7k\]: we were joking Mneme :D thanks for caring tho
Zonked [3d\]: pancake: B7 is w's sente so you should always count as if W took it.
];W[ld]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: Nick in his teaching vidoes mentions that with 1 Dan one just has learnt the basics. 
];B[kd]
;W[le]C[pancake [?\]: it is?
pancake [?\]: In that case it would be 13 points <3
];B[ke]
;W[kf]C[Dangerous [2d\]: threatening to kill
pancake [?\]: Hadn't looked at it. In that case it's a bit of a double sente move, and huge.
];B[md]C[r0n1n [2d\]: now that seems highly dangerous for black
];W[me];B[ne];W[mf];B[mc];W[kc];B[kb]
;W[lb]C[Geert [?\]: all or nothing
];B[jc]
;W[mb]C[bag [1k\]: just tuned in here... why are the moves so fast?
];B[kc]C[r0n1n [2d\]: some sequences are played fast when there's no other options
];W[qb]
;B[mg]C[LinuxGooo [3k\]: why didnt yet someone say: its time for b to resign ?? :-) 
];W[lg]C[GrandSlam1 [-\]: Dusan is in overtime
];B[mi]C[Welvang [6d\]: w reading is fine
r0n1n [2d\]: but they generally play slowly, it's been a few hours now the game has been doing on
bag [1k\]: i see
Zonked [3d\]: I thnk w should have played n13 before r18
pancake [?\]: Shit just hit the fan. Game deciding ko.
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Pavol: "hmppfff"
pancake [?\]: Pavol should not talk while eating.
skwisgaar [3d\]: ignore:D
Zonked [3d\]: I bet pavol is annoyed at not having played n13 before r18
hehehihi [-\]: this hurts 
r0n1n [2d\]: nothing to ignore
];W[nj]C[r0n1n [2d\]: there's no ko anymore
pancake [?\]: Whoa
r0n1n [2d\]: black is just struggling to live now
r0n1n [2d\]: q18 is 100% dead
pancake [?\]: Ah no ko, lol. 
Geert [?\]: b is already dead
Xavo [?\]: q 13 works 
r0n1n [2d\]: t17 was definitely strong
storn [2k\]: Hi everyone. What about thrd board?
Zonked [3d\]: side is only gote eye
storn [2k\]: Third
gogonuts [4d\]: b dead, that's the point
Vindicare [3k\]: Who's on first?
GrandSlam1 [-\]: resign
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
Punyferret [7k\]: thank you
r0n1n [2d\]: W+Res
storn [2k\]: Gs, who?
LinuxGooo [3k\]: congrats
r0n1n [2d\]: ah, a pity we can't have the sound for the review
LinuxGooo [3k\]: playing conservatively gave P the win, hm ? :-) 
LinuxGooo [3k\]: tks for streaming
Liso66 [?\]: there was sound ... pls! :) 
Vindicare [3k\]: that w skull face was a sign of death
storn [2k\]: Anybody... Roln's game result?
r0n1n [2d\]: gg to Pavol and Dusan, nice game
whatisgo [-\]: roln lost
storn [2k\]: :(
storn [2k\]: Res? 
whatisgo [-\]: yea
storn [2k\]: I see. Thanks
LinuxGooo [3k\]: bad to see in the review on twitch.tv, that white had recognized to be kille around S6, but b didnt take the chance 
Welvang [6d\]: gg
Mneme [2k\]: blackis dead ?
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