(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]PW[Dusan Mitic]PB[Cristian Pop]WR[6Peruvian]BR[7Peruvian]DT[2016-04-28]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+2.5];B[pd];W[dd];B[qp];W[dq];B[oq];W[qf];B[nc];W[qj];B[ql];W[rd]
;B[fc];W[cf];B[qh];W[of];B[pi];W[qc];B[jd];W[kd];B[jc];W[md]
;B[nd];W[ne];B[lb];W[pj];B[ni];W[oj];B[ng];W[pl];B[pm];W[om]
;B[ol];W[nl];B[pk];W[ok];B[pl];W[mk];B[me];W[mf];B[nf];W[le]
;B[oe];W[pe];B[me];W[pp];B[po];W[ne];B[od];W[me];B[qd];W[re]
;B[qb];W[rb];B[pc];W[rc]
;B[rg]C[Artemy [?\]: Who plays?
GrandSlam4 [-\]: Christian Pop (b) against Dusan Mitic (w)
Artemy [?\]: Thank you!
];W[rf];B[og];W[pf];B[li];W[je];B[pb];W[ri];B[kk]
;W[oi]C[GrandSlam4 [-\]: short lunchbreak....
GrandSlam4 [-\]: players are back
];B[kf];W[mg];B[mh];W[oh];B[ke];W[nh];B[jg];W[kh];B[jh];W[ki]
;B[ji];W[fe];B[do];W[co];B[cn];W[cp];B[dm];W[fq];B[ci]
;W[eb]C[Palko [1p\]: This game is good for white
];B[go];W[kj];B[jj];W[dh];B[di];W[fh];B[eh];W[eg];B[ei]
;W[oo]C[YoungPro [-\]: weren't there a commentary
YoungPro [-\]: by pros?
YoungPro [-\]: where is it?
Ten [1p\]: Why don't you give us a pro commentary while you're at it?
YoungPro [-\]: what?
Welvang [6d\]: not sure it's a good idea, Ten
YoungPro [-\]: ''Professionals (teaching, live-comments): Zhao Baolong (2p) and Yoon Young-sun (8p)''
YoungPro [-\]: where is this?
YoungPro [-\]: i mean is it in kgs or somewhere else or in the tournament place?
];B[pn]C[Liso66 [?\]: from videostream: GrandSlamBoard1: there will be no commentary today and tomorrow and the ones on suturday and sunday will not be streamed and not be captured on video 
Liso66 [?\]: :(
YoungPro [-\]: sounds nice :) thank you
];W[lk]C[Ten [1p\]: This game used to be good to white
YoungPro [-\]: used to? isn't it still good?
];B[op]C[Ten [1p\]: It's gotten relatively even again in my eyes
];W[hp]C[Welvang [6d\]: d12 looked a bit slow to me
Ten [1p\]: White didn't lose his sente there
YoungPro [-\]: what instead of d12 then?
YoungPro [-\]: it looked pretty alright mmh ?
Welvang [6d\]: pretty sure w could get better result there
Ten [1p\]: White is saying those six stones there are a good exchange
Welvang [6d\]: something like e11
YoungPro [-\]: maybe he was afraid to play e11?
YoungPro [-\]: mhm
];B[jq];W[ho]
;B[hn]C[Pillan [1k\]: W is winnig no?
];W[in];B[gn];W[ir];B[jr];W[iq];B[dg];W[ef];B[bg];W[cg];B[bf]
;W[be];B[ch];W[ce];B[fb];W[bo]
;B[bn]C[tornadotry [1d\]: .
tornadotry [1d\]: seems like it
];W[lq];B[jo];W[lo];B[io];W[kl]
;B[jm]C[SIscurge [5d\]: isnt w ahead by like a lot?
tornadotry [1d\]: yeah  because left black side can be reduced easily right? not sure.
];W[gd];B[db]
;W[cb]C[Song17 [4d\]: Did anyone here read Dusan's "introduction" ?
YoungPro [-\]: yeah it was pretty nice one :D 
];B[hc]C[SIkachnak [?\]: what is black's answer on k8?
YoungPro [-\]: well yeah i count w+6
YoungPro [-\]: but.. :) i would not say b should resign.. still game..
Ten [1p\]: Wait a second, how can you say "W+6" but "still a game"?
Ten [1p\]: Where will white mess up?
YoungPro [-\]: so you say that you would resign immediately with b? just because you are 6 points behind and its early endgame?
YoungPro [-\]: seems pretty passive way of thinking :) 
Pillan [1k\]: inthe countdown for example
Ten [1p\]: If I was sure I will lose by six points, then yes, I would resign
];W[gi]
;B[ep]C[YoungPro [-\]: so when you count the game in middle game and you see that your opponent is just leading by 10 points,you won't wait the endgame and you will just resing :)
YoungPro [-\]: quite nice ;)
Ten [1p\]: I think we have communication problems
YoungPro [-\]: i do not think i have,but if you have :) i would like to help you
tornadotry [1d\]: ^^
Ten [1p\]: Thanks, but I'll pass
];W[eq];B[gj]
;W[hj]C[YoungPro [-\]: you prefer this style from 20c when some pros resigned at move 40 or 50-60.. just because they didn't like the flow of the game?
Ten [1p\]: Oh no, not at all
YoungPro [-\]: then what?
tornadotry [1d\]: hmm 
Ten [1p\]: Try and figure it out?
YoungPro [-\]: its amateur game not pro game,but anyway,i have seen many pro players making blunder mistakes and missreads and bad endgame 
Ten [1p\]: In the meanwhile, we should get back to the game
SIkachnak [?\]: k8 -j7 right?
tornadotry [1d\]: yeah please get bac to game guys :)
YoungPro [-\]: what is b considering?
Ten [1p\]: A way to view the board that doesn't result in W+6
YoungPro [-\]: how do you count w territory? how much?
Ten [1p\]: Roughly 69 and komi
Welvang [6d\]: no comment on the roughly 69 ?
];B[ln]C[Welvang [6d\]: I hope dusan will win..
tornadotry [1d\]: black is barely 60 right? if proper endgame played.. 
tornadotry [1d\]: hope he will win as well
YoungPro [-\]: 18+35+11+6,5 .. so something like 70,5 for w? and 63 for b?
Zonked [3d\]: it looks like there is some wort of cut here
];W[mo]C[Zonked [3d\]: or maybe not
tornadotry [1d\]: nay
];B[fi]C[tornadotry [1d\]: feels like black knows he is behind so looking for stuff..  
tornadotry [1d\]: h12 best connection?
];W[hh];B[fg]
;W[gh]C[SIscurge [5d\]: k4 is small or it doesnt work and i dont see it? Oo
];B[hk];W[gk]
;B[fj]C[pygmyshrew [3d\]: j8
];W[ik]
;B[hl]C[tornadotry [1d\]: hmm how is score now?
Ten [1p\]: Final result should be around five points for white unless something happens
Ten [1p\]: Still a few uncertainties left
tornadotry [1d\]: thank you ! :)
SIscurge [5d\]: what don't I see with K4 O.O
];W[jk]C[tornadotry [1d\]: k4 j4 k6 ? 
];B[ij]C[tornadotry [1d\]: then perhaps l5 l4 
tornadotry [1d\]: seems to work...
];W[rk]C[SIscurge [5d\]: anyway, I bet k4 will come in the next 10 moves
tornadotry [1d\]: we shall then see :)
ben0 [6d\]: k4 kind of works
];B[hf];W[gf];B[ec];W[dc];B[ea];W[af]
;B[bh]C[SIscurge [5d\]: oh man, gonna be close :D
ben0 [6d\]: i didnt count anything, I trust Antti on this one :D
];W[sn]C[ben0 [6d\]: this looks huge...
Ten [1p\]: This was calculated, but black still didn't do anything about the lower-side thinness
];B[sl];W[rl]
;B[rm]C[ben0 [6d\]: well, white cant cut but it will give him some yose around O2
];W[sm];B[rn];W[sk];B[so];W[an];B[am];W[ao];B[bm];W[sl]
;B[ro]C[Liso66 [?\]: k4 didnt come yet
Fredda [7d\]: What if k6
];W[he]C[Namii [6d\]: power empty triangle j4?
];B[ie]C[Fredda [7d\]: Atari and k7
Fredda [7d\]: First f5 to prepare :p
];W[gc]
;B[gb]C[Namii [6d\]: seems good exchange for w
];W[id]
;B[jf]C[Fredda [7d\]: Dusan must be confident so dont care
];W[ic]C[SIscurge [5d\]: or perhaps he simply dont dare
pei: oh he hasnt seen yet:)
pei: Hi everyone
];B[ib];W[hd];B[hb];W[fd];B[hg];W[gg];B[lg];W[lh];B[ca];W[bb]
;B[ip]
;W[hq]C[ben0 [6d\]: i dont talk to guest account, sorry Pei
pei: 000
ben0 [6d\]: :D
pei: tu est null
ben0 [6d\]: bon au moins je suis sûr que c'est bien toi
];B[lm]C[pei: I am going to Berlin on Saturday, looking forward to seeing you all!
SIscurge [5d\]: I was cheering for dusan, but now I hope he loses for not playing k4 T_T
Welvang [6d\]: okay, i take my flight tickets then
pei: Haha
];W[kp]
;B[jp]C[Fredda [7d\]: Close on  board
ben0 [6d\]: yep, w is definitely winning
pei: agree
];W[kn];B[km];W[ko]
;B[jn]C[Welvang [6d\]: he has to
SIscurge [5d\]: iep, me to
Welvang [6d\]: or i kill him
Welvang [6d\]: even if I'd always cheer for popic
];W[nm]
;B[mr]C[Fredda [7d\]: F4 is huge
];W[mc];B[mb]
;W[lr]C[GrandSlam4 [-\]: 5 min left for Dusan, 21 for Cristian
];B[mq];W[ms];B[nr];W[fp];B[fo];W[dp]
;B[eo]C[Fredda [7d\]: B19
];W[ig];B[if];W[ih];B[kc];W[ba]
;B[ra]C[SIscurge [5d\]: still around komi
];W[ld]
;B[hi]C[GrandSlam4 [-\]: byoyomi starts for Dusan
];W[ns];B[os];W[ls];B[no];W[js];B[mp];W[mn];B[on];W[da];B[ag]
;W[ae];B[ca];W[ii];B[hj];W[kr]
;B[gp]C[Dom [6d\]: around half point
];W[gq];B[ed];W[da];B[lp];W[kq];B[ca];W[il];B[im];W[da];B[jl]
;W[kk]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: hmm...
Schachus12 [3k\]: w+2,5?
];B[ca]C[grnk3r: can w still lose by normal play?
];W[df];B[ee];W[mm];B[ll];W[da];B[pg];W[qg];B[ca];W[sb]
;B[da]C[thecmvick [4k?\]: Didnt think q13 worked
];W[dh]C[Grunman [4k\]: w n11 wasn't better?
];B[cc];W[cd]
;B[dg]C[thecmvick [4k?\]: Leaves more atari ko threats i think.
];W[fa];B[ga];W[dh];B[bc];W[ac];B[dg];W[qa];B[pa];W[dh];B[is]
;W[hs];B[dg];W[or];B[pr]
;W[dh]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: even or odd dame?
];B[lf];W[ph];B[dg];W[sa];B[qa];W[dh]
;B[qk]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: seems w wins even plays ko and dame
];W[dg]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: *even if b plays ko and dame
];B[nn];W[ml]
;B[qe]C[Schachus12 [3k\]: which b didnt
];W[lc];B[kg]
;W[de]C[Pillan [1k\]: It means W+ by a couple of points
Pillan [1k\]: it seems*
Schachus12 [3k\]: w+2,5 according to counting here
carma [5k\]: chinesse rules?
bebeto [3d\]: why they don t count?
Schachus12 [3k\]: yes
Grunman [4k\]: b+SE :)
carma [5k\]: how much comi?
Pillan [1k\]: oohh, chinese rules
Schachus12 [3k\]: SE useless on chinese rules
Woodman [4d\]: how can it be so much difference then kgs count
flashback [4d?\]: SE 0,5 komi ...
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: i see
Schachus12 [3k\]: no, se just doest work on chinese rule
Grunman [4k\]: SE 7.5 komi)
flashback [4d?\]: it just works IoI
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: 0.5 komi
GrandSlam4 [-\]: w+2,5
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: komi 7.5 or 6.5?
Schachus12 [3k\]: if you want to use se, download the game, change to jap.rule and then apply SE. But in late game better to just play out, and use scoring
Grunman [4k\]: Game info => 3 button, dunno in english => 7.5 komi)
bebeto [3d\]: it s so big deal for kgs to show the result??????
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: here kgs 0.5 komi
Schachus12 [3k\]: GrandSlam4 said it is w+2,5
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: i think
GrandSlam4 [-\]: 183 stones for black to be precise
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: ok
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: chinsese rules, 183 for black
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