(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]GN[Grand Slam Board 4 Catalin Taranu (b) vs. Dusan Mitic (w)]PW[Dusan Mitic]PB[Catalin Taranu]WR[6Peruvian]BR[5Svalbard]DT[2016-04-30]EV[2nd Grand Slam Berlin]RO[Round 2 places 5-8]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+R];B[qd];W[dc];B[pp];W[dp];B[de];W[ce];B[cf];W[cd];B[cn];W[fq]
;B[df];W[fc];B[dj];W[oc];B[pe];W[qk];B[qm];W[qh];B[jp];W[bp]
;B[oq];W[qb];B[nd];W[nc];B[md];W[mc];B[ld];W[kc];B[oh];W[ok]
;B[je];W[cl];B[dl];W[ck];B[dk];W[cm];B[dm];W[bn];B[co];W[bo]
;B[cj]C[softy [1k\]: W making lots of profit
];W[om]
;B[qo]C[egosu [1k\]: but w gonna wın
slim76 [1d\]: why "but"?
egosu [1k\]: ı dont see w gonna wın
egosu [1k\]: ı was wrong b gonna wın
slim76 [1d\]: ok :)
];W[ni]C[Butcher [2k\]: b strong in the center
GrandSlam1 [-\]: check PM @GrandSlam4
Butcher [2k\]: now q8
];B[pi]C[Timk [-\]: s11 ?
];W[rj];B[qi];W[ri];B[qg];W[mk];B[rh];W[np];B[nq];W[lp];B[nl]
;W[ol];B[no];W[ln];B[mo]
;W[lo]C[calypso [?\]: o7
];B[kk];W[mn];B[jn];W[io];B[jo];W[gn];B[gq];W[gp];B[hp];W[go]
;B[fr];W[gr];B[hq];W[er];B[fp];W[eq];B[gm]
;W[fm]C[grnk4k5: looks tough for b
];B[en];W[hm];B[gl];W[ho];B[kq];W[hl];B[mq];W[hk];B[gk];W[gj]
;B[fk];W[ii];B[jl]
;W[ki]C[emilescu [4k\]: no one  strong player comment ?
];B[lj]
;W[mh]C[Daddeldu [3k\]: w in trouble middle or right?
Daddeldu [3k\]: .
Meruem92 [3d\]: the other 3 games have more suspence
emilescu [4k\]: :)
];B[li];W[lh];B[kh];W[kg];B[jh];W[ji];B[jg]
;W[km]C[emilescu [4k\]: this game is very interesting for me 
rollOver [3d\]: so the right side group has to live in sente
lungs [2k\]: yup
lungs [2k\]: to protect the f4 cut
lungs [2k\]: f17 seems faaaaar away
];B[jm];W[ig]
;B[jf]C[emilescu [4k\]: what happend with p8 group ?
lungs [2k\]: magic... maybe white confident that he can make life
lungs [2k\]: too complicated for me
lungs [2k\]: but looks hard
emilescu [4k\]: hard for w or B ?
lungs [2k\]: hard for w to make life if b plays first
lungs [2k\]: i'd be scared
Daddeldu [3k\]: me too
Weishenme [4d\]: o10 big for b
lungs [2k\]: yeah, smth like that
lungs [2k\]: start poking everywhere
lungs [2k\]: ^^
Weishenme [4d\]: m9 
Daddeldu [3k\]: s8 kills?
Weishenme [4d\]: m9 l10 p11 
lungs [2k\]: s8 doesn't make life localy
rollOver [3d\]: I feel like if black can't kill white he should be able to capture o11 stones at lest but if it's big enough is another question
lungs [2k\]: i think you need about 2/3 of the white mush to make life
lungs [2k\]: yes
lungs [2k\]: capture smthin big to compensate for center loss
lungs [2k\]: but i'm still looking at f4 cut
lungs [2k\]: don't like white on the other side either
lungs [2k\]: black split the board in two
lungs [2k\]: white is very busy
Daddeldu [3k\]: one of the w groups will die.
lungs [2k\]: i sure hope so :)
];W[rl];B[nj];W[oj]
;B[eo]C[lungs [2k\]: woopeee
];W[gf]C[grnk4k5: goldberg?
];B[gh]C[lungs [2k\]: woah, that's a bit of a stretch
grnk4k5: h12
honku [1k\]: h13 works?
Daddeldu [3k\]: j12 might work
syncinc [?\]: it seems so
mkkkk: good move
honku [1k\]: I'd be tempted to play f10 even before g14
Daddeldu [3k\]: w has aji with f10
moccacino [5k\]: b split evereywhere, awesome
lungs [2k\]: maybe keep it in a pocket untill later
lungs [2k\]: what?
lungs [2k\]: white split
lungs [2k\]: black is comfortable
lungs [2k\]: except points :D
emilescu [4k\]: if black invade into top side points is ok
lungs [2k\]: yes
lungs [2k\]: but i'm hoping for blood
emilescu [4k\]: becuase b n1o,  w o9 , b p11
emilescu [4k\]: invade into top side must be in sente 
Goyer [?\]: h13 for w now
moccacino [5k\]: I mean b has w split evereywhere
Sava [2k\]: w is in problem
grnk4k5: any move but not h13
];W[jk]C[lungs [2k\]: yup white is in taters
];B[kl]C[lungs [2k\]: tatters
];W[hg]
;B[nk]C[emilescu [4k\]: black wants p8 group 
emilescu [4k\]: :)
honku [1k\]: no, but n12 stones
syncinc [?\]: either way b will kill one of w's groups
rollOver [3d\]: t9 to live but what will white lose
emilescu [4k\]: for n12  b n10 , w o9, b p11 better ? 
emilescu [4k\]: i hope so 
emilescu [4k\]: syncinc
GrandSlam4 [-\]: W: 50 min left,B:1h19 min left
];W[oi]C[rollOver [3d\]: i don't see two eyes for white if black plays t9 now. thats gonna be interesting
syncinc [?\]: he needs to defend the  o 9 stones, right?
AlinB [2d\]: N8 seem to be good for b
AlinB [2d\]: keep aji to cut M5 stones
Daddeldu [3k\]: then w is alive with t9
rollOver [3d\]: o9 stones are safe
AlinB [2d\]: yea but b can cut at O6
Allanon [3k\]: not really 
AlinB [2d\]: N8 T 9 O6
rollOver [3d\]: why  should black play n8?
AlinB [2d\]: if want tito cut at O6
AlinB [2d\]: to cut
Daddeldu [3k\]: why does t9 not kill?
honku [1k\]: seems that even W s6 doesn't work if B t9
Daddeldu [3k\]: ah, maybe there is a wicked second eye at q10?
AlinB [2d\]: q10 q8 r6 is a very complicate secv.
gobanhhyuh: how much time do de players have?
gobanhhyuh: oh i saw
Daddeldu [3k\]: answer q8 not possible bc s7
GrandSlam4 [-\]: W 50 min , B 1h6 min left
AlinB [2d\]: q8 s7 s6
AlinB [2d\]: q8 r6 is interesting
Daddeldu [3k\]: then q7 and not possible to secure q8
AlinB [2d\]: why?
AlinB [2d\]: stil have a lib at q9
Daddeldu [3k\]: i see. you are right.
Daddeldu [3k\]: then why does a 5p not kill at t9? I see not other aji for w
syncinc [?\]: because he is 5p and maybe just maybe he sees something there
AlinB [2d\]: yea
calypso [?\]: isn't s7 better if you want to kill ?
Daddeldu [3k\]: you mean: more than me? :-)
syncinc [?\]: lol just maybe:)
lungs [2k\]: i think taranu is more like 3p nowadyas
lungs [2k\]: nowadays
syncinc [?\]: but they hae to take all the time before moing and be 100% sure that the moes kills
AlinB [2d\]: probably the next move can be very important for this game
syncinc [?\]: otherwhise the entire game is lost
AlinB [2d\]: depend wath Catalin want
syncinc [?\]: haha lungs you are awesome
syncinc [?\]: how can you tell?
syncinc [?\]: the 2 rank diff?
lungs [2k\]: i can't believe he sustained the 5p while not playing in a pro environment
honku [1k\]: every pro says that would become weaker if doesn't play against other pros every week
honku [1k\]: so, the moment one leaves Japan/Kore/China for more than a few weeks, loses at least one rank
syncinc [?\]: well obiously he can't but how can you asses if he is now playing like a 3p? why not 1p or 4p? that was what i was asking
Bronl: well, a old korean master is not as strong as a young 9p, still he is a 9p... the professional dan system is more like a measurement for achivment than a ranking system for strenght..
honku [1k\]: it is like in chess, you have ranks and ratings
syncinc [?\]: that is true
honku [1k\]: ranks are kept once obtaned
honku [1k\]: rating shows current strength based on results
syncinc [?\]: and the real strenght it shows in games
honku [1k\]: currently, AlphaGo is the strongest player ;)
lungs [2k\]: acording to go4go.net, ke jie is stronger :D
syncinc [?\]: some of the pro said that they feel that alphago is at least one stone ahead
liusasori [3d\]: http://www.goratings.org/
liusasori [3d\]: Ke Jie still stronger than alphaGo
syncinc [?\]: ke jie is young and restless
AlinB [2d\]: ke jie; yama yuta
honku [1k\]: AlphaGo will play unusual moves more often than human, because human players will go for a style
honku [1k\]: AlphaGo goes for moves that leads to victory
lungs [2k\]: alphago needs to learn how to come back from behind
lungs [2k\]: it's only comfortable ahead
honku [1k\]: AlphaGo could be beaten only by players who have talents for myoshu moves
syncinc [?\]: actually lots of pros said that alphago plays with style
honku [1k\]: like was Sakata Eio
syncinc [?\]: the old japanesse style
];B[he]C[syncinc [?\]: hm is inasion enough?
honku [1k\]: so, anyone can show how's W alive after B t9 or s7?
syncinc [?\]: invasion*
Daddeldu [3k\]: maybe there is no need to hurry t9. w must answer with the middle group too.
Daddeldu [3k\]: and e16 might become very wicked too.
GrandSlam4 [-\]: B+R
Daddeldu [3k\]: unbelievable. We will never know....
honku [1k\]: if we'd have video stream, we'd see discussion
Daddeldu [3k\]: s6 after t9?
GrandSlam3 [-\]: catalin wins
Daddeldu [3k\]: ah. white resigned. that makes sense
lungs [2k\]: yey
honku [1k\]: after B t9, if W s6, B just r6
kamee [?\]: after t9, push s7 and then q7
rokaj [2k\]: is this game ended?
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