(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]GN[GrandSlam Places 3-4 - b + res - Mateusz Surma (1p) (w) vs. Pavol Lisy (1p) (b)]PW[Mateusz Surma]PB[Pavol Lisy]WR[1p]BR[1p]DT[2016-05-01]EV[2nd GrandSlam 2016]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Resign];B[pq];W[qd];B[cp];W[dd]
;B[od]C[U [?\]: 3rd place game.. winner gets extra 1250 euro
];W[oc]C[Hellhuman [1d?\]: o17 q17 n16 o15 
U [?\]: surma is white tho, pavol is the one who really likes o15
Hellhuman [1d?\]: ah, missed the colors
howweakami [?\]: Surma is playing third game in a row by white
bag [1k\]: can i play with pink?
Hellhuman [1d?\]: Who is broadcasting?
comeon [7d\]: q16 only:)
];B[nc];W[pc]
;B[qo]C[Hellhuman [1d?\]: lel
];W[ep]C[Hellhuman [1d?\]: Never listen to 7d :D
];B[gq]
;W[cq]C[bag [1k\]: never really seen the appeal in tenuki-ing after O17
Hellhuman [1d?\]: Happens frequently
bag [1k\]: i know ... ;/
rte [1d\]: But you mean with good result? 
];B[bq];W[dq]
;B[cm]C[bag [1k\]: unless, they're going to lose on purpose... yes
lichigo [2d?\]: yes
Hellhuman [1d?\]: well, he got a shimari in the bottom right instead and the top group is not in danger anyway
Shea [4k?\]: It's because it's hard to know if you want to play n16 or o16 until later right? 
lichigo [2d?\]: this opening was very popular last year
comeon [7d\]: ladder break
inter: if you want to teniki, you must do it before connecting the 2 stones
inter: you see why, right?
lichigo [2d?\]: park junghwan played this during the ing cup
inter: and if you don't tenuki, you end in gote
Eilinen [-\]: Do they play finals later today?
bag [1k\]: n16 gote... really now?
GrandSlam2 [-\]: yes, the final starts in about 10min
Eilinen [-\]: Okay, thanks
flobby [-\]: who're in the finals?
inter: n16 or o16 end in gote, yes
nadoss [2k\]: the key point is that black can still get a base that successfully splits that side, even if white cuts. It's just a point loss that can be considered less than other moves on the board
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Artem Kachanovskyi and Ali Jabarin
flobby [-\]: k thx
];W[go]C[comeon [7d\]: b o16 and o17 break several ladders
inter: so if you do want sente, you must do it right then - not earlier because you want w to draw back at q17 inside
bag [1k\]: you might as well tenuki after the n16 exchange (i mean, alphago did...)
comeon [7d\]: limiting white' choices in the lower left
inter: no, its not good generally
inter: because it gets heavy
bag [1k\]: n16 is not heavy imo
bag [1k\]: not even connected
comeon [7d\]: b can play k3or j4 now  now
];B[gp]C[inter: well, most people say it is
];W[br]C[lichigo [2d?\]: f5
inter: and if you tenuki and w pincers, then you would not n16, but o13
bag [1k\]: yeah that line of reasoning never meant anything to me "most people say so"
];B[bp]
;W[fo]C[inter: if w l16 now, would you n16 or o14-ish?
Fuseques [?\]: never seen this variation..
Fuseques [?\]: really joseki?
Fuseques [?\]: b2 is usually only played when nothing else works
comeon [7d\]: Pavol plays g4 frequently
bag [1k\]: this is joseki
nadoss [2k\]: well regardless most people would rather tenuki in such a way that they can still get a base, rather than tenuki in such a way that they'll be able to have three stones pressured severely bag
Fuseques [?\]: g4 is normal
comeon [7d\]: in this game j4 or k3 were both better i think
];B[ho]C[Fuseques [?\]: i wonder about b2..
comeon [7d\]: no idea about white b2 and f5
bag [1k\]: nadoss, there is no base to get after the pincer anyweay
Fuseques [?\]: lets check..
];W[hn]C[comeon [7d\]: i think white has no idea either
];B[io]
;W[ck]C[Fuseques [?\]: ye its joseki
nadoss [2k\]: but at that point you haven't totally committed to one particular type of connection
bag [1k\]: this entire sequence in the bottom left is on josekipedia btw
softy [1k\]: fast play
bag [1k\]: supposedly a chinese recent var
Fuseques [?\]: not recent, was played last at 2012
lichigo [2d?\]: not sure
bag [1k\]: 2012 is fairly recent :v
Fuseques [?\]: and first at 203
Fuseques [?\]: 2003
lichigo [2d?\]: never saw this in korea
Geert [?\]: For w it feels like it's lacking of fighting spirit
bag [1k\]: J3 is a fighting aim later
inter: btw nadoss you're completely right, but i guess it's not interesting anymore
Fuseques [?\]: lol its way more fighting spirit than any of the normal variatioins
];B[em]C[Fuseques [?\]: e7 was not the choise of either of the two pro games that continued to c9
Fuseques [?\]: one first peeped and then played e7
Fuseques [?\]: and another played e6 directly
Fuseques [?\]: so mabye now white should g7
];W[ek]C[comeon [7d\]: looks terrible for white
comeon [7d\]: joseki or not
bag [1k\]: looks ok to me ._.
];B[gm]C[lichigo [2d?\]: it's not terrible for white
Fuseques [?\]: any variation with this type of white middle group looks bad for white to amateur eyes
inter: d5 looks like a good point to give black bad shape?
bag [1k\]: lol the 7d getting dissed out of nowhere
];W[gn]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: Final started
whitespark [4k\]: woo!
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Live-stream for Final: https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1				
Fuseques [?\]: i am not trying to insult or anything, just that if zhu ruiyang played it then its most likely alright for both
Fuseques [?\]: i would take black here any day too
comeon [7d\]: this white shape never occured with a black enclosure to the right
comeon [7d\]: i guess with reason
Fuseques [?\]: it did with an ogeima
];B[gl]C[comeon [7d\]: where?
comeon [7d\]: can you show me the game?
comeon [7d\]: i didn't find it
Fuseques [?\]: http://ps.waltheri.net/database/game/9894/
Kinto [2d\]: push b with c9 was a little early i think with the position of c3 groups
];W[oq]C[comeon [7d\]: thanks
poiuytre:  I bet on Pavol
];B[jm]
;W[fr]C[comeon [7d\]: if black blocks, what is white about to do?
];B[mq];W[pp];B[qp]
;W[mp]C[Kinto [2d\]: hmm
bag [1k\]: w starting to look awkward
];B[lq]C[gfdhfff [1k\]: Mateusz needs to change his style
Kobor42 [?\]: I don't see problem with w.
comeon [7d\]: white has no move on black g2 block
softy [1k\]: j3 overplay?
poiuytre: o3-m4
Kobor42 [?\]: I think he intentionally makes smal running groups so that he can force b into separated groups forced to live with all of them. It can work
Kinto [2d\]: b played a solid move for prevent that type of move and fight if w attack, w group is light but for this battle i prefer b for the moment
];W[pr];B[qq]
;W[nq]C[wade [5d\]: w is playing to b's hand with this style
poiuytre: q2 mistake
];B[lp]C[poiuytre: lost sente
papalouw [1d\]: w was never going to live in sente there
];W[qr];B[rr];W[rs]
;B[sr]C[poiuytre: when hard, you need to run to the center, not to live
Kobor42 [?\]: S8 now? It is a forcing move on s4 group.
Kobor42 [?\]: Or not if w replies on the other side, but maybe
Kobor42 [?\]: I mean b replies...
bag [1k\]: ...is s8 a typo?
Liso66 [?\]: who won nigiri? 
];W[no]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: Actually I wasn't here when they did nigiri :) 
Kobor42 [?\]: No. I like s8 fun move. :-) might not a winning move, but I don't have to win. :-)
];B[on]C[bag [1k\]: i award you a delicous fruitcake, Kobor
Kobor42 [?\]: My favorite! Thanks Mate! But only if home made. When will you bring it to Budapest?
poiuytre: Now in black sentena attack will get points on the right side
Kobor42 [?\]: It's my first time that kibitzing earned me anything
];W[lo]C[poiuytre: b positions better
];B[ko]
;W[ln]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: timers for both 1:57h 
akisanka [1k?\]: Mateusz nickname here on kgs ?
];B[ar]C[vsi [5k\]: drakula
akisanka [1k?\]: thx
];W[bs]C[comeon [7d\]: b g2 w f3 and white is still not alive
];B[gr]C[wade [5d\]: with e2 it is alive no?
];W[fs]
;B[md]C[seppuku [2d\]: d2 e2 d1 f3 d4 kill?
comeon [7d\]: e2 f3 white gets cut into half
seppuku [2d\]: e2 d2 ?
];W[qf]C[comeon [7d\]: in w instead of f1 plays e2
comeon [7d\]: f3 i was wrong b has d1
comeon [7d\]: so f4 prepares a cut at e5
comeon [7d\]: this shape is similar
seppuku [2d\]: what the answer to d2
comeon [7d\]: d2 d1
];B[fc]C[seppuku [2d\]: that was easy :D
maluszek [4d\]: how about e3?
golgoth [5k?\]: f3 ?
];W[id]
;B[cf]C[comeon [7d\]: white will die in this game or even worse
];W[fe]C[lemurek [?\]: seems like a bit of a stretch from w
poiuytre: I think the game turned
];B[dc];W[cc]
;B[cd]C[lemurek [?\]: As in I haven't seen this joseki before :D
lemurek [?\]: I can only assume one of them is AlphaGo
];W[ce];B[bd];W[ec];B[db];W[be];B[bc]
;W[eb]C[lemurek [?\]: heh. looks just fine
lemurek [?\]: did b get tricked at some point or is this legit?
];B[de]
;W[ed]C[Kanin [-\]: e9-stones will be so lonely after this
comeon [7d\]: b wins big
elsky [2d\]: b14
seppuku [2d\]: d13 
];B[bf]C[comeon [7d\]: also b b15 seems to have been the wrong push
comeon [7d\]: white* b15
];W[lc]C[Kanin [-\]: I think I would have played D13 in stead of B14
Kanin [-\]: that leaves a better follow up with f13
Kanin [-\]: harder now for B to shut the door to the left side
];B[mb]C[lemurek [?\]: without  b14 in place w can get some base after b12
lemurek [?\]: probably just enough in if combined with b7
comeon [7d\]: b b14 is the easieast
comeon [7d\]: big lead, safe move, smooth sailing
Kanin [-\]: fair enough
Kanin [-\]: w d13 now looks nice to me
];W[ld]C[comeon [7d\]: b d13 was probably possible
lemurek [?\]: d13 c12 good for w 
Kanin [-\]: I think the two moves both have pros and cons
Kanin [-\]: but on second thought, I think this is more reasonable and safe, like comeon was getting at
];B[ob]C[Kanin [-\]: instead of the next move being to cut w off, the next move is probably c11
comeon [7d\]: rather, isn't b b17 unusual?
comeon [7d\]: he could play b14 straight away
comeon [7d\]: it might have been better
comeon [7d\]: w should have connected at e16 instead of pushing at b15
comeon [7d\]: i think
Kanin [-\]: good point, but on the other hand, w didn't connect d15, so feels like b gained
comeon [7d\]: not sure
comeon [7d\]: if b b14
comeon [7d\]: white still vlocks at e18
lemurek [?\]: well... B traded sente there, that was the trick part I was curious about
comeon [7d\]: b
comeon [7d\]: in any case b finished in gote instead of sente
comeon [7d\]: he could have made a base on the upper side
];W[pb];B[pe]
;W[me]C[lemurek [?\]: hmm... what stops b from pushing through?
howweakami [?\]: maybe the fact he has no eyes ;)
lemurek [?\]: oh... w q16 is
comeon [7d\]: b can push through and cut
comeon [7d\]: w will play o16 and take 4 stones
lemurek [?\]: he will loose some of the stones, but .... secures the right side which is huge
comeon [7d\]: after connection at s16 and b r13
];B[qe]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: both 1:28h left
comeon [7d\]: or push up at q14 when black cuts
lemurek [?\]: q14 is the amswer, yep after that w is fine
comeon [7d\]: well the corner is a ko
comeon [7d\]: and black can play ko threats in the lower left
Quincunx [1d\]: This looks like a disaster for w
Quincunx [1d\]: was he misreading the ladder?
howweakami [?\]: yeah its very often proffesionals misread a ladders, u right
];W[re]
;B[rf]C[maluszek [4d\]: trade right edge for upper edge.... not certain if it is fair exchange
flobby [-\]: it doesn't have to be very often... it just has to happen once...
howweakami [?\]: :)
Fluffster [1d\]: Q14
Geert [?\]: b is in deep shit after w q14
howweakami [?\]: just connect
Quincunx [1d\]: so w s16, b r13, w o15, then b o16 or q14? which gives the most aji to the b stones?
Quincunx [1d\]: w q14, b p14, w s13, b s16?
howweakami [?\]:  W s16 
maluszek [4d\]: Q14 seems pretty move. Fluffster is right
comeon [7d\]: w q14, b p14, w s13
comeon [7d\]: but the corner is still a ko
comeon [7d\]: and black has a cut at m15
lemurek [?\]: I don't see that ko...
comeon [7d\]: w n15 seems to be a detour
lemurek [?\]: ahh... I see :) 
howweakami [?\]: s16 r13 o15 
lemurek [?\]: somehow evil, but ko indeed
seppuku [2d\]: p15 
lemurek [?\]: but that's as good as it gets for w anyway, and its a two step ko for b
howweakami [?\]: p15 q14 B+R
];W[pf];B[of]
;W[rg]C[comeon [7d\]: not two step
comeon [7d\]: two stage
howweakami [?\]: not two stage, two rounds
lemurek [?\]: first I wanted to say double ;P thanks for fixing my terminology 
comeon [7d\]: he may simplay cut at m15
Quincunx [1d\]: two parts?
];B[rd]
;W[sf]C[howweakami [?\]: too hard
];B[rc]C[Kanin [-\]: is this even working?
];W[rb]C[comeon [7d\]: it should
pierrot1: How many time do they have?
Kanin [-\]: what's the move now?
];B[qb]
;W[qc]C[lemurek [?\]: each of them has just one time
];B[ra]C[comeon [7d\]: but takes a while for black to win 
Kanin [-\]: ah, ko in there
pierrot1: I mean time left
lemurek [?\]: that's generally true for for all of us ;)
];W[oa]C[Kanin [-\]: oh, a trade
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Mateusz double checked this move...pavols face was like "???"
lemurek [?\]: dracula always one step ahead :D 
wade [5d\]: lol
Kanin [-\]: it's so refreshing to have my lunch time eggs, and just read 1 move ahead, and be all surprised by their moves, I feel like a kid in a circus
elsky [2d\]: :-))
comeon [7d\]: reading 0 moves ahead is good too
howweakami [?\]: kids are happy in circus
];B[sb];W[nb]
;B[og]C[lemurek [?\]: b still had q19 but after wq15 it gets void 
poiuytre: p19 strange move
Kanin [-\]: q19 still exists
poiuytre: now o15
lemurek [?\]: after w o15* sry
poiuytre: and q12
Kanin [-\]: should w maybe play q19 to get rid of the trouble?
lemurek [?\]: this will stay for a while unresolved. Corners like this can give AlphaGo a headache
];W[pa]C[Kanin [-\]: more like a CPU-ache
comeon [7d\]: this move reduces white's eye
seppuku [2d\]: r12 
Kanin [-\]: right, it does
];B[qh]
;W[rh]C[Geert [?\]: q19 is slow. if b tenukis, w will need two moves to kill the corner unconditionally
];B[qi]
;W[ri]C[lemurek [?\]: q19 feels very slow, and the end result is hardly a success for w
lemurek [?\]: at least he should try to retain sente to go back for d14
];B[qj];W[rj]
;B[rk]C[fgdfd: s8 
];W[qa];B[sd]
;W[rb]C[elsky [2d\]: b so many threats
Kretzsche [3k?\]: where?
elsky [2d\]: LL for example
Kretzsche [3k?\]: is it big enough?
];B[mm]C[Welvang [6d\]: this is probably not even ko threat
suerte [-\]: you'd tenuki and live ?
Kretzsche [3k?\]: w still has some local threats
Welvang [6d\]: i mean white is maybe already dead
Welvang [6d\]: :)
suerte [-\]: ahah :)
Welvang [6d\]: this game is too good for b i feel
suerte [-\]: agreed
seppuku [2d\]: it is easy to live but painful
suerte [-\]: well I try not to disagree too much with 6ds in kibbitz ;)
wade [5d\]: l4 can make some aji for w 
];W[mr]C[maluszek [4d\]: Q19 seems loosing move
];B[lr];W[nr];B[qb];W[qk];B[rl];W[rb];B[mn];W[mo];B[qb];W[ql]
;B[rm];W[rb];B[oo]
;W[kn]C[Quincunx [1d\]: hard choice for b
Quincunx [1d\]: k5 and let w out
Quincunx [1d\]: or k6 and give points
biooo: if k5 w r18?
Quincunx [1d\]: k6 seems better
];B[in]C[Quincunx [1d\]: ah, that one :)
];W[jo]C[sudama15 [4d\]: Pavol Lisy is cheater
sudama15 [4d\]: 8d in kgs
];B[jp];W[kp];B[jq];W[kl]
;B[km]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: Pavol 1:06h | Mateusz 57min left
];W[os]C[lemurek [?\]: undo ? ;)
];B[qb];W[pg];B[oh];W[rb]
;B[fq]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: I missed one ko
GrandSlam2 [-\]: ^^
GrandSlam2 [-\]: this is right now
comeon [7d\]: i think b should have omitted l7 p1 exchange
];W[eq];B[qb]
;W[ph]C[elsky [2d\]: let w escape?
];B[oi];W[rb];B[gs];W[ds];B[qb];W[pi];B[pj]
;W[rb]C[gogeo [12k\]: Meteusz ko-fighter...
howweakami [?\]: poor black
lemurek [?\]: hmm... now b can play r13 in sente before continuing the ko
flobby [-\]: poor black? game looks good for b to me o.o
lemurek [?\]: which makes it much more expensive on w account
seppuku [2d\]: not really false eye anyway if he lose ko
lemurek [?\]: true
seppuku [2d\]: will b o10 be too much chicken?
flobby [-\]: does b really need o10?
lemurek [?\]: b doesn't need such a solid connection here
lemurek [?\]: if he wants center he will attack left side white group
lemurek [?\]: m15 is also useful
GrandSlam2 [-\]: both players have 56min left
lemurek [?\]: maybe not ;P
];B[lm]C[Kanin [-\]: omg, upper rught is so small
Kanin [-\]: right*
];W[oj]
;B[pk]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: somehow i make funny moves today ö.ö
];W[lh]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: when you place a stone and think 'what is this stone doing there???'
elsky [2d\]: like m12?
GrandSlam2 [-\]: :'D no I double checked this one :P
elsky [2d\]: :-)
];B[li]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: is a little awkward to missclick so often in such a short time :/ 
DeadmaN [3k\]: I wonder if r2 is so small... because if s19 lived, t14 would die... right?
];W[ne];B[oe];W[mi];B[mh];W[mg];B[mj]
;W[nh]C[elsky [2d\]: take ko?
Allanon [3k\]: ko is so big 
Allanon [3k\]: winner of ko i think is winner of game 
];B[qb]C[flobby [-\]: if b wins ko i think b wins game, but if w wins ko, he doesn't necessarily win the game
];W[nj];B[ni];W[mk];B[mh]
;W[nk]C[comeon [7d\]: as i said white will die or even worse:)
elsky [2d\]: die in gote :-)
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Pavol is nodding his head as if hes counting
GrandSlam2 [-\]: for the upper right corner
];B[pl]
;W[mi]C[Allanon [3k\]: m10?
];B[qg]C[flobby [-\]: counting pts or counting ko threats?
lemurek [?\]: technically w can take the ko :)
GrandSlam2 [-\]: looked more like counting for points - not sure though
];W[rf]
;B[mh]C[comeon [7d\]: game over
GrandSlam2 [-\]: after that he was scanning the whole board, so I guess he was counting the co threats afterwards
comeon [7d\]: white has exactly none
Allanon [3k\]: s18 ko to live ?
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Matusz is still very concentrated - no indication for stress etc.
GrandSlam2 [-\]: arrgs...spelling is hard
];W[rb]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: bot 37min left
GrandSlam2 [-\]: *both
comeon [7d\]: bot =Surma?
elsky [2d\]: alpha playing?
GrandSlam2 [-\]: xD
];B[ng]C[Dilemma [3d\]: both bot?
comeon [7d\]: white didn't die
comeon [7d\]: this is even worse
];W[qb];B[lg];W[kh];B[mf]
;W[le]C[calypso [?\]: d10 for the win :)
];B[ih]
;W[ki]C[calypso [?\]: w is going all in
elsky [2d\]: L11 brave
];B[kj]
;W[jj]C[comeon [7d\]: ah, he wants to die too
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Mateusz glanced inconspicuously to the captured stones of pavol and his ones. Maybe(!) counting too. --> Pokerface
];B[jk]C[comeon [7d\]: b l13 and take all
];W[kk];B[lj];W[lk];B[mi];W[jl];B[ik];W[il];B[hl]
;W[dm]C[flobby [-\]: well, there's the sign that white is losing
];B[dn]C[lemurek [?\]: as far as I know his game history he won 100% games after this kind of wedge
lemurek [?\]: i.e. 1/1
calypso [?\]: maybe b will suicide and make it 2/2
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Mateusz aimed for H8-area
Hellhuman [1d?\]: Mateusz become pro against Ilya with a wedge like d7 
Hellhuman [1d?\]: became*
];W[fm]C[xcvgbdgh: I like Mateusz but I don't like his style, he's like anti-Artem
];B[fl];W[en];B[fn];W[hk];B[ij];W[fm];B[dl]
;W[el]C[flobby [-\]: this looks surprisingly promising
];B[fn];W[hj];B[ji]
;W[fm]C[suerte [-\]: yeah, it doesn't look like b can afford to lose that ko
GrandSlam2 [-\]: pavol was about to place a stone on n1
elsky [2d\]: n1 enough?
];B[ms]C[Liso66 [?\]: time? 
Dilemma [3d\]: 13:56
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Both have about 20min left
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Dilemma :'D great one
];W[qs];B[fn];W[nn];B[eo]
;W[nm]C[comeon [7d\]: again, this is worse for white than death for all his center stones
Liso66 [?\]: why?
comeon [7d\]: all left is dead now
comeon [7d\]: black can pass and still win
Dilemma [3d\]: left side aftermath
];B[ei]C[Weishenme [4d\]: e11 slak no ? f14 more tough
Weishenme [4d\]: slack
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: resign?
];W[di]C[calypso [?\]: w is chuck norris :)
elsky [2d\]: man, resign costs 1250 €
calypso [?\]: at that cost leave no atari unplayed then :)
];B[dh]C[Seimeitaek [1k?\]: hopeless for white
elsky [2d\]: needs one more rabbit
calypso [?\]: easter rabbit
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: regign and wait for next year
];W[eh]
;B[ej]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: Pavol counting again
Liso66 [?\]: counting whole board or nodding about this position? 
];W[ci]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: wholde board and captured stones
];B[dk]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: both have about 10min left
];W[gi];B[jg];W[df];B[ae];W[dj];B[fh];W[ch];B[eg];W[bj];B[bl]
;W[cl];B[fk];W[bk]
;B[gf]C[GrandSlam2 [-\]: Update Final: Artem resigned
];W[if]C[mkkkk: pity
];B[hf]C[Seimeitaek [1k?\]: what? white lives in the left
];W[cb]C[dalejlama [2d\]: it doesnt matter
];B[bb];W[da];B[hd];W[hc];B[gd]
;W[gc]C[softy [1k\]: f4 also big
Mukti [3d\]: F4 does not work.
softy [1k\]: gote
];B[nd]C[Feelss [4k\]: also speaking about C17
Dovery [-\]: you want f4 but kill k7?
softy [1k\]: 8points?
];W[mc]
;B[bh]C[Mukti [3d\]: 0 points
];W[bi]
;B[bm]C[Mukti [3d\]: F4 does not work, because J7 is sente
];W[bg]C[kosti [4k\]: f4 j7
];B[cg];W[ag]
;B[fd]C[Weishenme [4d\]: J7 huge fo w
];W[fb]
;B[ee]C[Weishenme [4d\]: saves the 4 stones in sente
];W[kf]C[Mukti [3d\]: They are saved already...
sprouts [1k\]: Why are they playing so fast 
Dovery [-\]: its yose already
];B[kg]C[Weishenme [4d\]: yes Mukti, right
softy [1k\]: silly me
Dovery [-\]: :)
];W[om]C[Poney [2d\]: f4 ? 
];B[pm]C[softy [1k\]: see above
bag [1k\]: w playing a lost game to the last stone again :p
softy [1k\]: comment on 247
];W[op]
;B[fp]C[Holub [2d\]: nothing bad about playing to the very end...
Mukti [3d\]: B hugely ahead. Nothing remotely resembling aji left.
];W[im];B[jn];W[hm]
;B[ko]C[Holub [2d\]: yes
];W[do];B[en]
;W[jo]C[Holub [2d\]: and yet its not a bad thing to play to the end ...
Weishenme [4d\]: L3
Holub [2d\]: especially when the game is between friends ...
Weishenme [4d\]: and W cannot connect
bag [1k\]: Holub: even if 100 points behind?
];B[kq]C[seppuku [2d\]: q6 q5 l5 
Weishenme [4d\]: q5 first
lemurek [?\]: There is no good and bad. It's just unprofessional 
Mukti [3d\]: Most pros resign when no serious aji left and the diff. is 15 or more. But I agree, if w wants to continue there's no harm done.
softy [1k\]: Holub but if you win when you should have resigned it will bbe a bad taste
Holub [2d\]: i dont see it as a bad thing...between friends...you know he does not want to disrespect you...just want to enjoy...
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Mateusz in Byoyomi 4 periods left
GrandSlam2 [-\]: Mateusz resigned
Mukti [3d\]: Thx for relaying GrandSlam2.
Holub [2d\]: congrats to Pavol
Liso66 [?\]: thx! 
GrandSlam2 [-\]: you're welcome :)
Nyanjilla [-\]: Thanks
softy [1k\]: good on you Grand Slam team
Liso66 [?\]: pali and ali ruled today! Yup! :) 
GrandSlam2 [-\]: any feedback? we alredy learned about typing the playernames in the title, any more suggestions?
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: when lee sedol sees he will lose in 1.5-2.5 point, he resigns 
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: I think resign is a big respect for the oppenent
Dom [6d\]: when someone is clearly ahead, then its time to resign, anyway its rude from the player who is behind, its that easy
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: you are right!
poiuytre: Павол! Поздравляю с 3 местом!
Calipso [-\]: привет
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