(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]GN[Ilya Shikshin  B vs Alexandr Dinerchstein W]PW[Alexandr Dinerchstein]PB[Ilya Shikshin]DT[2016-04-30]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+1.5];B[pd];W[ep];B[pp];W[ed];B[dj];W[cc];B[cq];W[do];B[er];W[fq]
;B[fr];W[hq];B[nc];W[qj];B[dg];W[qm];B[nq];W[ic];B[cd];W[bd]
;B[ce];W[be];B[dc];W[dd];B[cf];W[cb];B[fd];W[ec];B[qo]
;W[rd]C[Muramasa [1k\]: live stream ?
Liso66 [?\]: who has more fans from russian observers? 
Liso66 [?\]: only 1st board is streamed
GrandSlam1 [-\]: Livestream is only available for the 1st Board due to bad upload speed.
Liso66 [?\]: https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1
GrandSlam3 [-\]: HTTPS:www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1
Poney [2d\]: r14  ?
Muramasa [1k\]: ok...ty!
];B[qi]C[Timk [-\]: s11 is enough since ladder works for W
];W[qh]C[luciferi [2k\]: 7-8 место тут?
Timk [-\]: the same story
Timk [-\]: q11 s11 if s10 s9 s12 t10 r13 - corner is open. with q11 s11 s12 s13 ladder favours W. s11 is possible but W will uninte stones
Timk [-\]: and crawling on 2 line...
Timk [-\]: some rude ladder breaker maybe 
Liso66 [?\]: lucifer 5-8
Liso66 [?\]: *luciferi
];B[pi]
;W[ri]C[Butcher [2k\]: r12 is nice 
Timk [-\]: hard to understand B plan now... gotta develop smth really exciting
];B[qe]C[KurataSan [3d\]: why? he's not behind on points
Timk [-\]: but what q11 r11 are doing ?
Timk [-\]: imagine that W played r10 r12 and B played q11 W tenukied B played r11 -- s11 
GrandSlam3 [-\]: standing on the board being still alive and extremely usefull
Timk [-\]: knowing Dinersten style, even s13 is possible :)
];W[ph];B[pj];W[qk];B[re]
;W[lc]C[kaii [5k\]: d7 
];B[ld];W[mc];B[md];W[nb]
;B[kc]C[kaii [5k\]: бери угол 
];W[oc]
;B[nd]C[Timk [-\]: p17 o16 q18 like ?
Poney [2d\]: Alexandr always hassuch low positions
Timk [-\]: yes, he loves terriotory
Timk [-\]: so back to question, Kurata. q11 q10 position is weird even now
GrandSlam3 [-\]: no they are ok
];W[pb]
;B[kb]C[Timk [-\]: like m18 m19 n18 k15 r17 ?
];W[ma];B[la]
;W[mb]C[Timk [-\]: or with p16 hole l16 better
Poney [2d\]: I'd be uncomfortable as black, if you fix the cut with K15, whites corner is way to big after S17, but if you take S17, you get cut >_<
kaii [5k\]: p12 
Timk [-\]: yes, hard to choose
Timk [-\]: even he tries smth like j16  its too small
Hellhuman [1d?\]: W Leasing?
Hellhuman [1d?\]: Leading
windows [6k\]: two angles both, and small pieces on sides
Timk [-\]: i rather say W is better
Dantek [1d\]: The 3 black stones at right look alone and heavy
Timk [-\]: ant the biggest problem is wall usage
Timk [-\]: j17 is kinda small
Timk [-\]: q12 r12 cant be cut
Timk [-\]: and yes. with q11 q10 its very hard to make moyo
AlphaGo9p [-\]: at least one russian is gonna be at top six. what a success!
Timk [-\]: r11 (a nice and interesting plan) was not so good...
Meruem92 [3d\]: :( i don't want roln to lose...
Meruem92 [3d\]: pls turn the tables soon
Timk [-\]: he still can make mess but with such position it will be very hard task
];B[ke]C[Poney [2d\]: W goes S17 now ?
Poney [2d\]:  or o10 
kaii [5k\]: f17 
];W[rc]C[luciferi [2k\]: играются наши дети))
];B[gc]C[kaii [5k\]: вытаскивать надо большой камень
Grunman [4k\]: откуда?
];W[ie];B[ff]
;W[ig]C[Timk [-\]: j15 жадно)
Timk [-\]: j11 ?
Grunman [4k\]: а то ч весь центр получит)
Timk [-\]: да какой там Ц с q12 камнем...
Butcher [2k\]: p12 also good for b
];B[oh];W[og];B[nh]
;W[ng]C[Butcher [2k\]: n12
];B[mh]C[iOnlyNi [3d\]: q14
Butcher [2k\]: if w peep at k16 and b answers ..can b j18?
Grunman [4k\]: у Динера похоже основная фишка этого турнира это заставлять соперника идти на центр, если тот хотел на территорию, и наоборот
Butcher [2k\]: n13 now
];W[pf]C[kaii [5k\]: q14 
Poney [2d\]: B's gonna go for j11  ?
Butcher [2k\]: maybe b can n13
];B[jf]C[Poney [2d\]: There we go, he's gonna cap the w group
Poney [2d\]: g15  counter peep!
];W[od];B[if];W[cp]
;B[bq]C[Grunman [4k\]: f9 now?
mihi [?\]: e9 maybe
Poney [2d\]: Or M3
];W[fk]C[Meruem92 [3d\]: black gained from this peeping exchange imho
Poney [2d\]: Well i'm not so sure he didn't get that much (F18 or G18 later for w that reduces a lot), and hedoesn't have much potential left
Meruem92 [3d\]: from my point of view, the m16 group wasn't that strong, after the peep at q14 especially
Meruem92 [3d\]: also f14 and d13 became solid because of that
Poney [2d\]: That is for sure, but in the end I wouldn't say black gained alot from it : /
Poney [2d\]: because white is having a nice position for sure now
Meruem92 [3d\]: i think black's group at n16 was a burden to begin with
Meruem92 [3d\]: and with q11 stones being almost dead, this turnout is pretty good
Meruem92 [3d\]: (being almost dead at that time)
asdk [3k\]: кто ведёт?
procus [2d\]: мне за ч больше
asdk [3k\]: по оценке кгс ровненько
asdk [3k\]: по 2 угла у каждого
asdk [3k\]: делят центр
IonutC [5k?\]: the center is big
Timk [-\]: все еще весьма комфортная игра для белого
asdk [3k\]: c7 за 4
asdk [3k\]: черных
];B[gk]C[Timk [-\]: f10 не достаточно ?
Grunman [4k\]: ф10 чтобы забирать 3 линии?
kmlck [3d\]: g9 trult a pro move
kmlck [3d\]: truly*
Kotonoha [3d\]: I am pokale. 
Meruem92 [3d\]: i don't like g9 at all
momiji [3d\]: g9 awesome
kmlck [3d\]: g9 awesome cuz roln played it, if i played it people would ask if i misclicked
Timk [-\]: g9 is like r11 ^)
speedraces [-\]: if black manage it maybe genius move, if black loose maybe loosing move \\_O<
kaii [5k\]: f10 
Meruem92 [3d\]: Timk, thus it's a bad move :P
];W[fj]
;B[fl]C[kaii [5k\]: j13 помогает
Meruem92 [3d\]: w has so many choices
Timk [-\]: i like more roln games
Timk [-\]: alex games are too... dry
asdk [3k\]: хитрый план
kaii [5k\]: o12 может отвалится
asdk [3k\]: Динеру сейчас только резать?
asdk [3k\]: или e8 
luciferi [2k\]: e8 
luciferi [2k\]: работает
];W[ek]C[GrandSlam3 [-\]: nice shape :D
asdk [3k\]: empty triangle
luciferi [2k\]: сижу, бутерброды под го уплитаю))) вкуснятина))
IonutC [5k?\]: 3p shape
IonutC [5k?\]: :))))
kaii [5k\]: да круто черные теперь сами думают что делать
luciferi [2k\]: кого угостить?
asdk [3k\]: g8 или g7 
luciferi [2k\]: сторону забирать надл
luciferi [2k\]: надо
luciferi [2k\]: или воевать)
asdk [3k\]: если не защититься от разреза, то ходы зря
kaii [5k\]: o8 
Kotonoha [3d\]: cool shape
cannelle [-\]: so elegant !
];B[dm]C[asdk [3k\]: узнаю Илью)
luciferi [2k\]: играют за 8 место?
];W[dk]
;B[cm]C[AlexOss [3k\]: победитель гарантирует себе 6-е и продолжит борьбу за 5-е
kaii [5k\]: стока разрезов и слабых камней
luciferi [2k\]: мда далеко ушли от призовых мест, а кому они проиграли?
Meolin [2k\]: Хирурги-любители
];W[cj]
;B[gl]C[luciferi [2k\]: выжил
kaii [5k\]: теперь сторону можно забирать
Grunman [4k\]: Шикшин Качановскому
AlexOss [3k\]: а проигравшему останется бороться за 7-е завтра; см. http://www.eurogofed.org/EuropeanGrandPrix/grandslam2016.html
luciferi [2k\]: еще камни надо добавить) а стороны уже нет
luciferi [2k\]: сенте черный)
Grunman [4k\]: Динер Джабарину
luciferi [2k\]: предлагаю разделится на группы, и встать в очередь со мной поиграть))) сыграю со всеми в порядке живой очереди
];W[ch]C[procus [2d\]: как так то
];B[jq]
;W[gn]C[kaii [5k\]: счас разделющая атака начнется
Grunman [4k\]: офигеть как белый раздроблен
kaii [5k\]: не у него все живое
Grunman [4k\]: но при этом раздроблен
kaii [5k\]: у бел 4 группы у черного 6
];B[bo]C[mkkkk: j5 
zin [1k\]: g4
kaii [5k\]: k4 как противник играл
mkkkk: k4 makes b too strong
honku [1k\]: another server SE (which is pretty correct) says B+10 without comi, so still close
honku [1k\]: *komi
AlexOss [3k\]: j5 вяло
kaii [5k\]: m3 нагло
];W[jp]C[kaii [5k\]: посередине
mkkkk: hmm:)
];B[kp];W[jo]
;B[iq]C[Doge101 [1d\]: who is leading?
mkkkk: imo this doesn't look good for w
Satori1000 [6k\]: k4 was bad?
];W[ip]
;B[ko]C[kaii [5k\]: k4 хорошо изза  e7 
];W[jn];B[rh]
;W[rj]C[kaii [5k\]: хотел нахаляву усилить центральную группу
];B[gi]C[luciferi [2k\]: 1 игра в день,
luciferi [2k\]: ?
];W[fh];B[fi]
;W[ei]C[kaii [5k\]: плохой обмен за черных
kaii [5k\]: d13 может отвалится
kaii [5k\]: g10 опаснее
luciferi [2k\]: не плохой
kaii [5k\]: в 90 процентах плохой даме забирает
];B[gh]C[mkkkk: l6 
kaii [5k\]: h10 
mkkkk: don't peep where you can cut:)
];W[kq];B[kr];W[lq]
;B[lr]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: crush the human
balafon [4k\]: one of them is human ? which one ?
];W[kn];B[lp];W[mg];B[lh];W[lg]
;B[kg]C[Timk [-\]: l9 is enough ?
kaii [5k\]: нет конечно тогда верхние белые камни даром уйдут
];W[jk];B[eh]
;W[bf]C[kaii [5k\]: это не сенте 
Muramasa [1k\]: l12 p11 ?
Simplistik [3k\]: Seems like it's looking good for white at the moment.
];B[fb];W[rn];B[ro];W[so];B[sp]
;W[sn]C[honku [1k\]: it'll depend on the center
];B[rp]C[honku [1k\]: something like W p9 or o9, or something around k11
honku [1k\]: B's lead is very thin, and W is going for sente moves everywhere obtainin a point or 2 here and there
Simplistik [3k\]: I think with sente white has a lead.
];W[ji]C[Simplistik [3k\]: Good call with k11 :)
honku [1k\]: SE shows 66:61 in territory for B (without komi) and 15:13 in influence, so W might be in the lead
honku [1k\]: If B keeps answering W's moves, he is going to lose easily
Simplistik [3k\]: But Ilya knows that of course.
];B[jh]C[honku [1k\]: Ilya still not 1p?
];W[ki]C[Meruem92 [3d\]: ilya is 1p
];B[kh];W[gj];B[hj];W[hi]
;B[di]C[honku [1k\]: sorry, now I see that they didn't put ranking for Alex too, but in other games they did
];W[hk];B[ij]
;W[ii]C[Kayres [2k\]: this is so bad for b. how did this happen?
];B[ej];W[cl];B[ci];W[bj]
;B[bl]C[GrandSlam3 [-\]: I forgot
GrandSlam3 [-\]: I forgot
];W[el];B[em];W[fm]
;B[bi]C[Simplistik [3k\]: This result looks great for white
];W[hl]
;B[eb]C[kaii [5k\]: c13 
Muramasa [1k\]: useless
];W[cg]
;B[ee]C[honku [1k\]: hm, C13..
honku [1k\]: oh, he played it
];W[db];B[bk];W[ck];B[aj]
;W[gm]C[honku [1k\]: seems game is even, without komi
Grunman [4k\]: strange plans by B
anton007 [-\]: w+
Muramasa [1k\]: n10 
];B[hg]
;W[hh]C[Simplistik [3k\]: That centre exchange surely bit white ahead
];B[gg];W[fc];B[de];W[dc]
;B[gb]C[honku [1k\]: now depends on the play arouund o9-p9
honku [1k\]: *around
];W[bp];B[ap];W[co]
;B[cn]C[Muramasa [1k\]: p9 p7 lokks easy
Meolin [2k\]: game status?
honku [1k\]: SE says 4 for B, without komi
Meolin [2k\]: so still playing?
tttest: SE the best
honku [1k\]: not cgoban SE
honku [1k\]: cgoban SE doesn't do well with chinese rules
Simplistik [3k\]: I was wrong and black gained more in that exchange than white.
honku [1k\]: Alex counting?
Simplistik [3k\]: B ~71, W ~65.5
];W[ne];B[ln];W[lm]
;B[mn]C[honku [1k\]: hm, B gains some points, but also helps W gain some points...
];W[mm]
;B[nm]C[honku [1k\]: both will gain the same number of points, so still a few points for W, with komi
ikongming [1k\]: local Q7?
];W[pm]C[ikongming [1k\]: yes
ikongming [1k\]: hohoho
];B[om];W[pn];B[]
;AB[on]C[honku [1k\]: B pass?
];W[mj]C[Grunman [4k\]: seems like redacting
ikongming [1k\]: is this game streming somewhere?
ikongming [1k\]: streaming*
honku [1k\]: seems that W wins
Simplistik [3k\]: Yes, I think so.
Simplistik [3k\]: There should be streams.
ikongming [1k\]: GrandSlam3, can you give a link for streming please?
honku [1k\]: https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1
honku [1k\]: but not this game
Grunman [4k\]: 1st board only
GrandSlam3 [-\]: a livestream for board one: https://www.twitch.tv/grandslamboard1
];B[gr];W[hr];B[gq];W[gp];B[is];W[ir];B[jr]
;W[js]C[ikongming [1k\]: thanks
ikongming [1k\]: so only 1 camera available? 
];B[ks];W[hs]
;B[en]C[Grunman [4k\]: tricky w
ikongming [1k\]: ah, that was big move for 
ikongming [1k\]: W should have played it E6
];W[mq];B[mr];W[mp]
;B[lo]C[Muramasa [1k\]: influence for o8 ?
GrandSlam3 [-\]: yes only one cam
];W[eo]C[ikongming [1k\]: why o8? 
];B[me]C[ikongming [1k\]: you mean to cut P11 later?
ikongming [1k\]: or what?
];W[bh]TW[gk][fl][gl]TB[ei][ak][al][am][bm][an][bn][ao][js]C[honku [1k\]: B lost, look just how many points W got in the center
honku [1k\]: compared to the efficiency of B's M5 stones
Simplistik [3k\]: let's count!
ikongming [1k\]: ?
ikongming [1k\]: finished?
GrandSlam3 [-\]: no
Tanhee [-\]: It's close
];B[pl]C[Simplistik [3k\]: b 84, w 79.5 or so
Simplistik [3k\]: black win
ikongming [1k\]: so this move prevents P8 
];W[pk]
;B[ok]C[Simplistik [3k\]: There are not enough free spaces for white to catch up.
];W[nf];B[lj];W[li];B[mk];W[mi];B[ll]
;W[km]C[Tanhee [-\]: i count w+3,5
];B[eq];W[ah];B[ai];W[dh];B[fp];W[fo];B[eg];W[lf]
;B[ih]C[Simplistik [3k\]: b 82, w 79.5
];W[gd]
;B[fe]C[Simplistik [3k\]: So b+ 2;5 :)
];W[dq]
;B[dr]C[ikongming [1k\]: is L10 small?
];W[oi]C[honku [1k\]: now all are 1-point moves, except D-E19, but it is gote for both sides
anton007 [-\]: w+ 1-2
honku [1k\]: b has lots of aji
];B[oj];W[ni]
;B[kf]C[honku [1k\]: L10
];W[bn]
;B[ao]C[Simplistik [3k\]: how does black deal with o9?
Goyer [?\]: о9 for w
];W[kk]C[honku [1k\]: o9, but l10 first
honku [1k\]: because of damezumari
];B[ml]C[Simplistik [3k\]: o9 seems to work directly, but not now
ikongming [1k\]: o9 p8
];W[nk]C[Simplistik [3k\]: then w gets n8
];B[nl]C[rs220675 [2d?\]: does black still have a chance? I don't see him make 3 points...
Simplistik [3k\]: That would be a white win
];W[nj]
;B[ol]C[Simplistik [3k\]: I still think black is ahead slightly
];W[lk]C[ikongming [1k\]: w gets n8 how? in christmass present?
rs220675 [2d?\]: no, I don't think so, but I am just using SE anyway :P
honku [1k\]: B will have to play something like P5 eventually
rs220675 [2d?\]: how about black S8, white R8 and then black S13 and kill the group?
];B[ea]C[Simplistik [3k\]: b 84, w 83.5
Simplistik [3k\]: Hmm
honku [1k\]: now, D19 for B would be 4-point difference in Chinese rules minus sente
Simplistik [3k\]: The exchange around n9 was good for w
];W[lb];B[ka]
;W[ql]C[honku [1k\]: now B must q5 and p5 after W l8
rs220675 [2d?\]: SE says W by 7.5
honku [1k\]: this SE is wrong
ikongming [1k\]: W 77+komi 
];B[po]C[honku [1k\]: especially with chinese rules
Simplistik [3k\]: Oh, I was counting by Japanese rules.
];W[kl]C[Simplistik [3k\]: Still, shouldn't change the result, or should it?
];B[np]C[honku [1k\]: no, but SE gets it wrong
honku [1k\]: here even with japanese rules
Simplistik [3k\]: :)
Simplistik [3k\]: SE can kill groups with two eyes.
];W[gs]
;B[fs]C[honku [1k\]: I use another SE, says 87-81 for B without komi
];W[hp];B[da];W[ca]
;B[qn]C[honku [1k\]: now 86-80, so...
rs220675 [2d?\]: I trust in this SE...so White will win..let'
Simplistik [3k\]: m15
rs220675 [2d?\]: let's see^^
];W[rm]
;B[le]C[Simplistik [3k\]: closest game of the round I guess
Simplistik [3k\]: That's fun!
];W[fq];B[bc];W[bb];B[fp]
;W[dp]C[Simplistik [3k\]: It might come down to who wins the last ko
IonutC [5k?\]: who won/?
honku [1k\]: now, in chinese rules, would it be better for B to play B7 or...
];B[bm]
;W[fq]C[honku [1k\]: hmmm...
];B[ab]C[Simplistik [3k\]: ko first I was told
];W[ac]C[Grunman [4k\]: Do they still have time?
];B[fp]C[honku [1k\]: but, in japanese rules the game would be only around ko
];W[cr];B[br];W[fq]
;B[ad]C[Simplistik [3k\]: Time for something crazy.
Simplistik [3k\]: F4, B17
];W[aa]
;B[fp]C[Simplistik [3k\]: Aww
];W[cs];B[bs];W[fq];B[bg];W[ag];B[fp];W[aq];B[ar]
;W[fq]C[Grunman [4k\]: why cant w f6
];B[af];W[ae];B[fp];W[ak];B[al]
;W[fq]C[honku [1k\]: ko is 4 points difference in chinese rules
Goyer [?\]: blach has much more theats because of the right upper corner
ikongming [1k\]: 1/64 point thr
];B[oe]C[liusasori [3d\]: last ko when all dame already played is 4 points difference in chinese rules
liusasori [3d\]: because of the pass stone
honku [1k\]: yes, that's what I meant
Grunman [4k\]: there is k1
liusasori [3d\]: if not it's only 2 points
];W[pe]
;B[fp]C[Grunman [4k\]: 2 kos, f6
honku [1k\]: but here, F6 also a point
liusasori [3d\]: yes ko is bigger here due to f6
];W[oo];B[nn]
;W[fq]C[Grunman [4k\]: uh. by how many points?
grnk7j6: 5-10
];B[ob];W[oa];B[fp];W[an];B[am]
;W[fq]C[Grunman [4k\]: ://
];B[pc];W[of];B[fp];W[ds];B[es];W[fq]
;B[qf]C[honku [1k\]: well, keeping with ko threats, B is able to play m14 in sente
];W[pg]
;B[fp]C[Simplistik [3k\]: I wish I really understood the differences between the rule sets.
];W[hd];B[ib];W[fq]
;B[qg]C[grnk7j6: learn the japanese rules - the other ones are mainly nonsense
Simplistik [3k\]: Haha
Simplistik [3k\]: Those are the only ones I know.
];W[qd]C[grnk7j6: good :)
rs220675 [2d?\]: but chinese rules are more precise and clear
honku [1k\]: especially Ing rules, which allows suicide as a ko threat
Simplistik [3k\]: That sounds quite different
Weishenme [4d\]: B has still 3 threats
grnk7j6: chinese rules are the worst
];B[fp]C[grnk7j6: c2
ikongming [1k\]: suicide as a ko threat? how?
];W[hb];B[hc]
;W[fq]C[JonSnow [4d\]: not only as ko threat
];B[mf]C[Javaness [-\]: maybe suicide will allow you to regenerate threats for ko fight 2
];W[qc]
;B[fp]C[Simplistik [3k\]: A pro taught me that there is no difference in result between Japanese and Chinese, except sometimes a win is 1.5 instead of 0.5 points.
Weishenme [4d\]: Q16 i meants
Weishenme [4d\]: meant
];W[ha]C[Weishenme [4d\]: for th third one
];B[ia];W[fq]
;B[pd]C[lengjing [2k\]: no big difference
];W[pc]C[grnk7j6: iyama yuta lost a game because of chinese rules
];B[fp]
;W[ga]C[ikongming [1k\]: but here W wins by komi or so 
Simplistik [3k\]: Huh?
lengjing [2k\]: but the chinese rule count the live stones on the board 
];B[fa]C[Simplistik [3k\]: White has nowhere near komi advantage.
];W[fq]C[Javaness [-\]: black wins by 3 points or so
softy [1k\]: maybe 2.5 max
];B[js]C[softy [1k\]: W wins
];W[fn]
;B[fp]C[rs220675 [2d?\]: w wins
];W[cr];B[cs]
;W[fq]C[lengjing [2k\]: so in the 0.5 point ko and neutral point maybe is a littl different
];B[dl]C[Weishenme [4d\]: why doesn't he connected ?
Simplistik [3k\]: b+ 1.5 or 0.5
JonSnow [4d\]: dame bigger than ko when one has much more ko threats than the other
];W[fp]
;B[dn]C[ikongming [1k\]: W won
GrandSlam3 [-\]: game finished
honku [1k\]: half-pointer?
Simplistik [3k\]: What's the count?
rs220675 [2d?\]: result?
grnk7j6: $%&% chinese rules cause the confusion
Naphthalin [1d?\]: W+3,5
liusasori [3d\]: W+0.5
honku [1k\]: if komi 6.5, under japanese rules B would win
Simplistik [3k\]: OK, what's the official count?
rs220675 [2d?\]: let's wait for the official result
honku [1k\]: that is why komi is 7.5, so the result si not influenced by whether B or W plays the last dame
honku [1k\]: *is
Simplistik [3k\]: So, if I cound in Japanese and give 6.5 komi the result should be the same most of the time, right?
JonSnow [4d\]: yes
honku [1k\]: here B plays last dame, so W+0.5 I thinkg, if W played the last dame, would be 1.5 for W, so the same
AlphaGo9p [-\]: w+0.5
Naphthalin [1d?\]: @simpli: yes, unless one player played after the other one passed or if there is a seki with eye therefore odd number of dame
ikongming [1k\]: W 99,5?
honku [1k\]: 98-92 according to japanese counting
softy [1k\]: W at least 1.5
ikongming [1k\]: B 98?
ikongming [1k\]: W + 1,5?
Javaness [-\]: did white adjust the clock volume?
tttest: chinese rules - just say no 
GrandSlam3 [-\]: 1.5 or close to it :D
rs220675 [2d?\]: still no official result?
Naphthalin [1d?\]: if this is the real board situation, it is W+3,5
GrandSlam3 [-\]: white wins
ikongming [1k\]: by res?
ikongming [1k\]: or by points?
GrandSlam3 [-\]: points
Simplistik [3k\]: w 98.5, b 98, Japanese
GrandSlam3 [-\]: 1.5
ikongming [1k\]: great
ikongming [1k\]: I count correct
ikongming [1k\]: without understanding chainese rules
ikongming [1k\]: and why SE shows +4,5?
rs220675 [2d?\]: KGS SE rulez
Naphthalin [1d?\]: SE only works with japanese rules
ikongming [1k\]: I just counted 99,5 W 98 B, I don't know chinese rules. and SE shows 4,5 
Naphthalin [1d?\]: oh, chinese rules W+0,5
ikongming [1k\]: I only see komi difference in those rules
Naphthalin [1d?\]: same with japanese rules and 6,5 komi
honku [1k\]: ok, W+1.5 instead of W+0.5 is because W won the komi, so doesn't matter if B played the laste dame
honku [1k\]: *last
honku [1k\]: White won the ko
honku [1k\]: sorry
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