(;FF[4]CA[utf-8]GM[1]SZ[19]
GN[Tournament 2015 - Round 4 - Game 1]
EV[2nd European Pro Qualification 2015]
PC[IT,Pisa]
RO[4 (Tournament)]
DT[2015-03-07]
PB[Ilja Shikshin]BR[7d]
PW[Mateusz Surma]WR[7d]
RE[W+4.5]
KM[7.5]
RU[chinese]
TM[5400]OT[25/600 Canadian]
ST[2]
C[Blitzhaze [4k\]: first
Cool [3k\]: Тимуру не повезло, сыграть с сильным противником в первом туре!
MaximG [6k\]: Ну проиграл бы во втором туре сильному противнику...было бы лучше?
kmr [1d\]: i think its good sign for those who dont win pro rank, that egf cant even make these games pinned to top list in KGS.....almost none thing in this world is one-sided
Blitzhaze [4k\]: Not sure who is in charge, pisa or the egf
Matrok [3k\]: It was at the top this morning, and announced
backpack1 [-\]: i think pisa messed that up ;)
kmr [1d\]: if EGF is not in charge of EGF event then....you know :D
Matrok [3k\]: so did someone just ask?
Cool [3k\]: ДА
kmr [1d\]: i think, you cant get the truth, until you use kgb methods on them, sorry
Cool [3k\]: тольконе понятно почему по китайским правилам?
Cool [3k\]:  тольконе не понятно почему по китайским правилам?
Kretzsche [4k?\]: if that is the only problem and everything else works more or less flawlessly, we can already be happy
Blitzhaze [4k\]: u mean like in some not further specuified kubanian bay?
Blitzhaze [4k\]: agree
kmr [1d\]: thats CIA method, i was mean kgb's but some kind of that
DesMites [4k\]: who is nigiri ?
Matrok [3k\]: a 7d player
Blitzhaze [4k\]: what if they are agents from the machines
DesMites [4k\]: twins ?
ilfuria [5k\]: cousins
kmr [1d\]: @Kretsche - if sb cant even do so simple thing to make game pinned on KGS, then i am sure some of rest things are totally wrong, messed up or just worse
ilfuria [5k\]: Black Nigiri and White Nigiri
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: nigiri is my favourite player
DesMites [4k\]: ^^
Millennium [6k\]: :D
ilfuria [5k\]: which one?
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: there can only be one
Kretzsche [4k?\]: yea because this is a totally top priority thing
ilfuria [5k\]: He plays against himself?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: there is black nigiri and white nigiri obviously.
Millennium [6k\]: :D
kmr [1d\]: yes, match on highest level - cuz nigiri is never wrong
Kretzsche [4k?\]: dude thats racist
Blitzhaze [4k\]: it s called afroamerican nigiri
ilfuria [5k\]: and caucasian nigiri?
Kretzsche [4k?\]: although i wonder if they call it nigiri in the tournament, too, considering it is a japanese term
kmr [1d\]: Kretsche its not priority.But if you are so sure about right way of EGF, then tell me when can i read EPS Operational Rules?
Minjhou [9k\]: are you seriosuly asking who's "nigiri"?
Minjhou [9k\]: check sensei's library for "nigiri" then
Kretzsche [4k?\]: i am not so sure, just saying that it is a relatively minor point considering all the other things that need to be done and the manpower they have
Kretzsche [4k?\]: if you know how to make things better, i suggest you join the egf organisation 
Blitzhaze [4k\]: ah yes they got millions of dollars to spend on this project...
kmr [1d\]: if i would join EGF executives who would criticize them?! ;)
limboro: well they bought catalin so there must be some money
gogeo [10k?\]: I think it will nice if 2 twin with name Nigiri will play match - then everone could claim it as won :)
Lice [5d\]: i don't think that's how it works
Kretzsche [4k?\]: there are things that can be bought with money, and then there is getting your game on the top of the active games list in kgs :D
kmr [1d\]: they bought Catalin?!......thats the rumor, any more details?
Couchi [?\]: was not the game supposed to begin at 4 PM ?
Blitzhaze [4k\]: ever been on a non german go tournament? ;)
Couchi [?\]: :-)
Minjhou [9k\]: by the way, EGFPro games actually are on top of KGS game's list...
sinojos [8k?\]: i'm not sure but i've heard that by censoring as few as six users, that the room temperature rises by several points
Minjhou [9k\]: what's that discusion about?
kmr [1d\]: so they finally made it....first games wasnt on top list for sure
Nyanjilla [-\]: Nigiri playing himself?  that's against the TOS!
Norppa [2d\]: Nigiri will prevail
Minjhou [9k\]: I also saw games on top this morning earlier
venture [3d\]: I heard that Nigiri won, we can all go home now
kmr [1d\]: but yesterday not
venture [3d\]: They're saying Tesuji might become a pro next year
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I heard that shikshin won, we can all go home now.
Norppa [2d\]: How do you get strong at Tesuji?
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: surma won
Javaness [2d\]: I don't think we need such speculation here kmr
Matrok [3k\]: Nigiri is the 3rd european pro, though his play is a bit random
gogeo [10k?\]: Tesuji is strong, but only in local fight... Not sure about direction...
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: i won a tournament game by nigiri once
Minjhou [9k\]: I always loose on nigiri... any tip to improve my nigiri skills?
Hobbes [1k\]: tenuki was strong but he left years ago
Kretzsche [4k?\]: lol how did you do that?
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: the referees now know to dread me by default
Minjhou [9k\]: :D
venture [3d\]: Fuseki too, but he tends to lose on time early
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: i had a game which was agreed to be "i lose by 0.5"
kmr [1d\]: what speculation you refer to?
Norppa [2d\]: For Nigiri, it's basically entirely different game depending if you're black or white
geodesicer [-\]: Isn't Dame Edna also a possible pro player?
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: then i recorded it on my laptop and noticed that i should win by 0.5, and probably the score was wrong because my opponent took off one of the captures when i took a ko, instead of letting me do it
Lice [5d\]: the one who wins nigiri is black or he can decide which color?
alias [6k\]: is this a game for pro exams?
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: referee said well, you already agreed the result, i said ok
Nyanjilla [-\]: is black
Ootakamoku [2d\]: Ive won a nigiri without even showing up
spacetime [4d\]: this is winner's bracket final
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: then my *opponent* disputed it, so it went to the arbitration committee
sinojos [8k?\]: yues alias
Matrok [3k\]: @alias: yes, the winner of this game will be the 3rd European Pro
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: they asked him, everyone accepts you winning by 0.5, what do you want to do about it?
alias [6k\]: tx
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: he said, nigiri. so we nigiri'd and i won, so the game was recorded as a win for me
Minjhou [9k\]: what did you opponent disputed? didn't he won Warfreak2?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I didnt show up for a tournament game, my opponent didnt either, so judges did nigiri on who wins, got gors too from it.
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: but he thought the result may have been wrong because of his action during the game
venture [3d\]: Oo, I assume you're not serious, both players are supposed to lose in that case?
AndEdhel [4k\]: nice attitude
NinzieQT [8k\]: when will the game start?
gogonuts [4d\]: The Nigiri Brothers are really strong
Kretzsche [4k?\]: ninzie: 16.00
sampard [4d?\]: which timezone?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: venture, I believe they later removed the game from gor database.
DaCat [2d\]: when is the game starting?
Matrok [3k\]: Italy
sinojos [8k?\]: half hour from now
Nyanjilla [-\]: CET
NinzieQT [8k\]: ok, so in 36mins
NinzieQT [8k\]: thanks
Hobbes [1k\]: is 0 considered even in nigiri?
ilfuria [5k\]: in italy is 4:25 pm
DaCat [2d\]: wasnt it starting at 4 p,
DaCat [2d\]: pm
Kretzsche [4k?\]: i am telling you, in one hour egfpro1 will come here and tell us" sorry i could not record, i will replay but first tell you the results"
alias [6k\]: how many games will be played?
sampard [4d?\]: no, it wasnt
gogonuts [4d\]: CET, not CEST
sampard [4d?\]: ;-)
venture [3d\]: That's 25 minutes ago, right?
ilfuria [5k\]: yes
Minjhou [9k\]: 4:24 in Intaly? 5:25 I think
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: one hour? surma will win faster than that
ilfuria [5k\]: no
ilfuria [5k\]: source: I live in italy
gogeo [10k?\]: prove it
Meruem92 [2d\]: 4.25 in italy
Meruem92 [2d\]: source: italy
Mizar83 [-\]: lol
radziol: true
Hobbes [1k\]: pizza mafia mandolino
gogonuts [4d\]: 3:23 CET in Italy
radziol: source: Poland
NinzieQT [8k\]: pics or it didn't happen
Minjhou [9k\]: damn, I will never get used to that bizarre spanish timezone...
gogonuts [4d\]: 4:25 CEST
Ootakamoku [2d\]: lol @ surma winning, roln will play super passive troughout first 100 moves, realize he is losing, and then totaly outread surma in last half of the game to steal a win.
Minjhou [9k\]: its's 4:25 too in spain
DaCat [2d\]: yes
gogonuts [4d\]: the time wasnt given in summer time
Matrok [3k\]: 4:26 in France
gogonuts [4d\]: CET is the time we would have, if we didnt have summer time
Hobbes [1k\]: this what time is it? topic is kind of boring
DaCat [2d\]: I live in belgium, 4:26 there too, and Italy is in the same time zone
gogonuts [4d\]: well, we can hardly debate the moves, can we?
slkdj [1k\]: yeah, lets go back to winning by nigiri
Jamagoal [15k\]: Congo 4.27 tp
Ootakamoku [2d\]: gogonut, we could speculate tho
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
Minjhou [9k\]: time and dates are quite fascinating topic, in fact, due to the incredible messed-up we use them 
wysek [?\]: looks like W+6.5 but B moves
sampard [4d?\]: w is ahead by points, i think
Minjhou [9k\]: but not for this room, I agree
gogeo [10k?\]: let's play massive multiplayr go - I play TR 33
Matrok [3k\]: What is the weather in Pisa, then?
Kretzsche [4k?\]: hobbes for students. as we all know, the concept of time means nothing, but for actual persons it might be important :D
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: w may be ahead, but b has sente
spacetime [4d\]: don't count of surma. he trained in korea
Hobbes [1k\]: Italy used to be in the same timezone dacat, but bruxelles declassed us, now we got un hour less
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: i think it's even so far
Hobbes [1k\]: one*
NinzieQT [8k\]: I wonder how hard it is to program a go software, which plays the worst moves possible
KBAC [2d\]: am i the one who stares at the empty board?
Minjhou [9k\]: when did that happen Hobbes?
gogonuts [4d\]: I think w is leading
Ootakamoku [2d\]: kbac, ur on kgs for kibitz anyways, board is just a prop
sinojos [8k?\]: idiotbot already exists ninzie
gogonuts [4d\]: imo 7 is the fair komi
Matrok [3k\]: by 7.5, yes
sampard [4d?\]: 211
slkdj [1k\]: i've done that once ninzie, didnt even try that hard
Hobbes [1k\]: couple of years ago, due to the economical crisis
Warfreak2 [4d?\]: it is plain as a pikestaff that the correct komi is 7
alias [6k\]: how many games will be played?
NinzieQT [8k\]: I mean the crappi]
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