(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]GN[EGF Pro Final: Artem Kachanovskyi (B) vs Andrii Kravets (W)]PW[Andrii Kravets]PB[Artem Kachanovskyi]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2016-03-06]PC[Baden-Baden]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: who looks more pro?
puerhista [1d\]: any video stream?
YZ1509 [4d\]: And who is scribing this game for the audience?
pipu [5d\]: who to support >< I'll have to go for andrii cos i've never met artem
EGFPro1 [-\]: Alright, we will start
experiment [3d\]: ARTEM!!
]RE[B+7.5];B[qd]
;W[dp]C[LinuxGooo [8k\]: the best may win
Lilou [1d\]: so the one who win become pro?
EGFPro1 [-\]: yes
LinuxGooo [8k\]: gets a EU Pro licence
RobertT [-\]: Lets go Artem!!! http://eurogotv.com/images/superboy.gif
wade [5d\]: lol robert
hmm: live stream?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: Is EuroGoTv still existing or dead ?? Havent noticed any stream by them as it was in 2014. 
zen [1d\]: so what salary do EU pros get?
puerhista [1d\]: it was in some kind of clinical dead....migh atart working abain
puerhista [1d\]: *again
];B[dd]C[Zonked [2d\]: major benefit is participation in pro only tournaments with good prices
];W[pp]C[Zonked [2d\]: prizes*
nicat [1k\]: Euro go TV gave up 
LinuxGooo [8k\]: oh...
nicat [1k\]: lack of own money 
hmm: its funny. no high dan player wathing ... oh yeah, they are but with anonime user oh oh oh
nicat [1k\]: no cooperation from EGF
];B[oc]C[RobertT [-\]: they stopped a year or two ago but did a poll a couple months ago if there was interest in them restarting
LinuxGooo [8k\]: Harry Weehrheijm, the guy behind EuroGoTV had nice ambitions... had talked with him in 2014 about sponsoring. But it was very unprofessionally the habit behind... 
kasperl [3k\]: interesting fuseki move
j32 [6k\]: What " B " and " W " contries are ?
];W[qj]C[alphagirl [2k?\]: is there a video?
];B[nq]
;W[pn]C[RobertT [-\]: both are from Ukraine
Zonked [2d\]: r10 looks like artem choice
];B[pr]C[Jazzman [1d\]: both are from ukraine, j32
j32 [6k\]: ok thanks
LinuxGooo [8k\]: they play fast, hm ?
];W[qq]
;B[kq]C[Zonked [2d\]: well, simple choices sofar
Zonked [2d\]: nothing fancy
mate105 [1d\]: So Cornel lost :'(
];W[fc]C[pipu [5d\]: poor old cornelius
Gelya [2d\]: Oh, they know each other very well.
LinuxGooo [8k\]: I like classy fusekis.... :-) 
Zonked [2d\]: p17 natural, because only one komoku, so shimari big as white cant make one or approach on a komoku, r10 natural because its side with biggest potential, you could argue for r6 or q10 too I guess, but sitll something in that direction
Lilou [1d\]: w already ahaead
Zonked [2d\]: after q4 has extension, approach to it is textbook move, hence o3, and joseki choice natural bevcause r10 in place
cam411 [2k?\]: u think lilou?
mystere88 [1k\]: http://www.eurogofed.org/proqualification/index_2016.html
RobertT [-\]: so far it's fairly standard
pipu [5d\]: 3 pro games left in waltheri's
Zonked [2d\]: l3 strong but low, making bottom side less interesting, and by that making bottom left difficult to develop large scale, hence f17 rather than c14
Lilou [1d\]: ^^
LinuxGooo [8k\]: a live commentary would be great... did the sponsor forget this in his budget ? :-) 
Lilou [1d\]: low budget
LinuxGooo [8k\]: big china with low budget *laugh*
pipu [5d\]: maybe pavol will comment again?
Siljan [?\]: Comment by Pavol Lisy will come,start in about one hour
RobertT [-\]: the budget was all spent on the tournament being held baden baden
LinuxGooo [8k\]: cool... very urgent this. :-)
iCloud [8k\]: after this game, we will have a new Euro Pro?
RobertT [-\]: in*
LinuxGooo [8k\]: the Chinese delegation spent all the money behind the roulet tables last night, hm ? hehe
Zonked [2d\]: a bit suprised b hasnt already pincered, would have thought it natural choice
Gelya [2d\]: No, we will have new Ukrainian Pro:)
Siljan [?\]: yes, one more Pro in Europe, qualified for the Grand Slam Tournament in Berlin end of April
zwim [5k\]: cm'on A.K !
kasperl [3k\]: first check lower left corner and then decide about continuation upper left?
pipu [5d\]: if b c14 then it reverts to a game between ke jie and xie erhao last year
Matrok [3k\]: I don't see why a pincer would be more "natural" than C14 here
Zonked [2d\]: matrok, because bottom left is uninteresting
Lilou [1d\]: to go with the shimari dude
LinuxGooo [8k\]: Putin might be embarrased not yet having a Russian GO Pro, hm ? :-) 
pipu [5d\]: ilya?
];B[cf]C[HappyLook [5d\]: A.K. from Ukrain will win
Siljan [?\]: 3 Pros in Russia - no problem
Jingoloba: Lol
Skewbrow [7k\]: Dinesthein, Shikshin & Shiksina are pros, right?
Matrok [3k\]: :-)
LinuxGooo [8k\]: are they part of the European Pro league ? I suppose not, hm ?
Siljan [?\]: yes
Zonked [2d\]: I wish someone would explain to me why c14 rather than f17
];W[db]C[Skewbrow [7k\]: ^Dinerchtein
pipu [5d\]: cos f17 already taken
Siljan [?\]: Sory, the European Pro League ist still a dream. If we get a sponsor we'll start at once with this project
pipu [5d\]: still three pro games with this opening
Lilou [1d\]: player prefs, trying to explain woud be too open
pipu [5d\]: c6 most common next, then c17
LinuxGooo [8k\]: for beginners it is said to play C17 now as b, hm ? What shall a Pro in spe play ?
Skewbrow [7k\]: I was wondering about that. How many pros can EGF afford to support?
madmason [2d\]: h17 an option?
pipu [5d\]: infinite, cos it doesnt pay them right?
Skewbrow [7k\]: :-)
Gotika [3d\]: both players so nervous now 
ltrd [4k\]: very peaceful opening, isnt it?
Siljan [?\]: EGF does not really support the Pros, for example no salary.
LinuxGooo [8k\]: h17 - F15 would be great for b 
Zonked [2d\]: pipu, why c14 rather than pincer..
Spirou [-\]: They do support
ranyee [3k\]: is there video?
Siljan [?\]: EGF helps in some cases, with taking travel-expenses when Pros want toplay a Pro-tournament in Far East.
ihmsje [-\]: what is the time limit?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: EGF is non commercially, they cannot pay Pros... we see how it ends with FIFA if a NGO is involved in finances
Spirou [-\]: Can you tell the colours pls ?
EGFPro1 [-\]: no video probably
Egg [8k\]: c17 seems possible
pipu [5d\]: Zonked, mostly cos pros are very territory oriented these days, but ofc pincer is fine at our level, and these guys too tbh
Siljan [?\]: But we have two more or less own Pro-tournaments now, the Grand Slam annd the European Pro Championship
Warfreak2 [-\]: goooo lukan
LinuxGooo [8k\]: we'd be happy to get Audio, EGFPro1 :-) 
];B[qh]C[topf [4k\]: tenuki?
topf [4k\]: yeha
LATE [1k\]: there's a confucius cop now, like seriously.
LinuxGooo [8k\]: oh.... R12 looks nice
ben0 [6d\]: Ya plusdepera
Spirou [-\]: Who is black ?
Wkorean [?\]: tenuki~ y not hehe
pipu [5d\]: and.... it's got no pro game matches now :)
HappyLook [5d\]: ben0, so close ...
HappyLook [5d\]: wp!
ben0 [6d\]: Thx
LinuxGooo [8k\]: I wondered about the good prize moneys of confucius cup. seems they have a bunch of good sponsors. 
Spirou [-\]: Ben0 played so bad
Siljan [?\]: Artem is black, Andrii is white (aftere nigiri for this game)
topf [4k\]: wp indeed ben0
hmm: will KGS show Lee Sedol Alphago? (and comment of course)
ben0 [6d\]: I just got lucky
ben0 [6d\]: No way I could become pro :D
pipu [5d\]: if w win then ben0 can say he beat a pro :)
LinuxGooo [8k\]: shall white pincer with R14 ?
HappyLook [5d\]: playing in semi-finals isn't something you can do only with luck :)
];W[cc]
;B[ci]C[ranyee [3k\]: it would be interesting to let alphago participate in tournaments
];W[cn]C[zen [1d\]: would it still be interesting if it wins all of the tournaments?
Wkorean [?\]: who won the first game ?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: sponsors wont be happy with that idea, ranyee
Wkorean [?\]: Alphago or sedol?
Spirou [-\]: What a game!!!
Zonked [2d\]: they could almost start yose now..
pipu [5d\]: i like w
Zonked [2d\]: I bet breakfast would love this fuseki as either player
LinuxGooo [8k\]: seems white's third corner, hm ?
cam411 [2k?\]: it snt started alphago vs sedol no?
RobertT [-\]: agreed, w got c6 direction and top left corner in exchange for black r12
];B[jd]C[Wkorean [?\]: i thought the first game was oh wait that was vs ke jie
Wkorean [?\]: lol
zen [1d\]: next wednesday is alphago vs lee sedol
cam411 [2k?\]: ty zen
Zonked [2d\]: s16?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: 9th starts the alphago thing
LATE [1k\]: p10 and it's game
pipu [5d\]: anyone got any insider info about alpha?
Zonked [2d\]: p10 is a bit lazy, but..
iCloud [8k\]: I like black now
Wkorean [?\]: lee sedol going to be a million dollar richer ~:)
RobertT [-\]: I hear it's playing vs lee sedol
Zonked [2d\]: w p15 looks playable
Evilfaster [-\]: to play on top is very soft style for b, strange..
LinuxGooo [8k\]: he already gets a 1/4 million as start money
pipu [5d\]: j3?
ihmsje [-\]: @pipu: if so, i think nobody would be allowed to tell in public^^
hmm: no one knows alpgago's strengh
Zonked [2d\]: surely j3 wont happen, looks like b just invased corner and j3 becomes silly?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: press conference last days Lee Sedol announced 4:1 to win
Gotika [3d\]: B+R now 
Wkorean [?\]: wouldnt B pincer if W goes to j3?
Gotika [3d\]: ty  all 
pipu [5d\]: i am just going based on ke jie's game that was like this :p
Zonked [2d\]: rather r3 than j3.. but still think p15
pipu [5d\]: he played j3 v early
eleven21: why w permitted b k16 ?
hmm: even the programers doesnt
cam411 [2k?\]: is e 3 the bigger point now ?
Egg [8k\]: p15 
Zonked [2d\]: rather e3 than j3*
RobertT [-\]: Lee Sedol drunken rant interview he said he should 5-0 easy and he would be sad if he only wins with 4-1 or 3-2
Alltro [2d\]: h13 is really big for black
Wkorean [?\]: lol @RobertT
hmm: oh oh sedol oh oh
RobertT [-\]: not even joking
pipu [5d\]: filtering on bottom 8 lines, w plays j3 75% of the time
LinuxGooo [8k\]: nobody can predict the strength of alphago, thats the black box of AI. As self learning system it might be understood in some years more clearly.
elsky [2d\]: h13??
gogonuts [4d\]: c6 doesnt look so great to me - b got more with k16
Zonked [2d\]: pipu, but b has strong position at c11? makes it difficult to make use of j3 since outside development limited?
];W[oe]C[Egg [8k\]: :-)
pipu [5d\]: main point of j3 is aiming at m2
Raein [?\]: What a calm game until now :P
Wkorean [?\]: he did !!
LinuxGooo [8k\]: wise people dont slaughter on the board :-) 
RobertT [-\]: check reddit baduk for the Lee Sedol drunk interview. Kirby translated it
sagacius [4k?\]: 3150 in Ocrober against 3500 for Lee Sedol
LinuxGooo [8k\]: "drunk" ?
RobertT [-\]: yes
zen [1d\]: sounds like lee sedol is underestimating alphago a bit, could be dangerous
Wkorean [?\]: I feel sedol has like picture memory tbh
LinuxGooo [8k\]: whatever he plays against AG, he becomes immortal in the history books of GO. 
pipu [5d\]: i think sedol's style will be good for playing against the bot
Wkorean [?\]: photographic i mean
pipu [5d\]: q14 looks like the basic move, or does artem want something more fun?
julbla [4k\]: Fan hui is already immortal i think
pipu [5d\]: p12 possible?
ranyee [3k\]: p12?
gogonuts [4d\]: it just sounded like he was p*ssed that he had just lost an important game against an opponent who keeps on beating him.
AndEdhel [4k\]: lee sedol plays more tame since a few years... i wish it was the sedol with thise crazy games of a few years back
windows [5k\]: p13 
Evilfaster [-\]: b out of position at this fight
gogonuts [4d\]: then he drowns his sorrows, but gets pestered by journalists
hmm: lee sedol will win the first two games and alpha will learn a lot from that so alpha will win the last thre games :)
gogonuts [4d\]: considering the circumstance, his answers were quite measured
gogonuts [4d\]: alpha learns nothing from playing 2 games
windows [5k\]: o13 
LinuxGooo [8k\]: I suppose it needs that kind of self confidence to be a 9P Dan... and naturally its self marketing, too to push own prize / market value saying that AlphaGo never can be what a human Pro is. Sounds like diplomatic bla, bla, bla talking... 
ranyee [3k\]: i dont believ aplphago can master smth from few games
AndEdhel [4k\]: if sedol masters drunken fighting, he will be unbeatable  (like jackie chan demonstrated)
];B[qf]C[ranyee [3k\]: it needs millions og games tj learn
cam411 [2k?\]: gogonuts is true i think... alphago learns from playing against himself so many times
LinuxGooo [8k\]: giving Fan Hui two handicap stones and stil winning... what else... Fan Hui is not a 9P Dan. haha.. 
pipu [5d\]: there were still some buggy things in alpha's play vs fan hui
zen [1d\]: they had quite some time to improve AG since that game
pipu [5d\]: at one point there was a move that a 1d should spot, fan hui said he just overlooked it
ranyee [3k\]: isnt it slow?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: AlphaGo can play per day 1,000 games... we should not underestimate this speed of learning
goren22 [2k\]: hassabis is an interesting dude.  don't look like a loser.  google will win.
Evilfaster [-\]: b want ot play o 16 but he couldn't - that his first mestake at fuseki
Evilfaster [-\]: *i
pipu [5d\]: i kinda agree with goren, i am not sure they would take the challenge without expecting to win
hmm: if alpha would have to win 3 to 2 against fan hui we could estimate "his" strenght but 5 to 0 is too strong
LinuxGooo [8k\]: cant remember having seen a stone like P15 in a "pro game". Intereseting. 
hurluberlu [3k\]: R17
AndEdhel [4k\]: p15 is a classic reduction
madmason [2d\]: p15 is basic point for reduction
pipu [5d\]: his strength vs fanhui was far from top pros, according to top pros, but ofc now it will be different
mkeller [1d\]: P15 very normal
gogonuts [4d\]: deepmind surely thinks they have a good chance, but they don't need to win
Javaness [-\]: Interesting timing for P15
LinuxGooo [8k\]: for me P15 works like to break b for playing influence, right ?
topf [4k\]: what do you guys think of the game so far?
Volodia [5k\]: actually alphago did win 3-2 vs FanHui in fast games
pipu [5d\]: q13 peep?
Volodia [5k\]: and 5-0 in normal games
hmm: all last time pro games are in alphas database (and comments ...)
mkeller [1d\]: P15 is just a reduction 
gogonuts [4d\]: if the bot doesn't get driven out of town with 5 bad losses it's ok for dm
hurluberlu [3k\]: K16 needs to find more meaning
EGFPro1 [-\]: even game so far imo
hurluberlu [3k\]: i like w
pipu [5d\]: @gogo, i really hope it does though :p
Matrok [3k\]: a computer does'nt play for the show. There was no reason for it to show 9p level against Fan Hui (with all due respects for Fan Hui)
Evilfaster [-\]: p15 was early move to play
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, pipu
hurluberlu [3k\]: K16 is b only high stone
Evilfaster [-\]: but R12 is too important for all b's strategy
hurluberlu [3k\]: theme of this fuseki
goren22 [2k\]: Even if google loses, it doesnt matter. next year in march we'll all be talking about a similar program that won.  Inevitable.
LinuxGooo [8k\]: it is not about ranks why alphago has been created. Its just a tool for Google to create parameters how AI might look in the future. 
gogonuts [4d\]: b preferable because w allowed the dbl wing, imo
pipu [5d\]: q13, o17 or tenuki, pick one
hurluberlu [3k\]: R8 is only points now
iCloud [8k\]: O17
AndEdhel [4k\]: o17
hurluberlu [3k\]: R17
madmason [2d\]: doesnt q13 hurt r10  too much
gogonuts [4d\]: i think w has to attach at o17 and hope for the best
Herod [-\]: Isn't o17 the standard followup to p15?
Lilou [1d\]: M16
hmm: hurlu hurlu ...
mkeller [1d\]: O18
mkeller [1d\]: 17*
goren22 [2k\]: p10 is correct
goren22 [2k\]: leaving 017  for later
iCloud [8k\]: ? P10??
hurluberlu [3k\]: P10 nice
LinuxGooo [8k\]: I'd play N16 :-) suppose too defensively, hm ? :-) 
hurluberlu [3k\]: but soft ?
Gucky [1k?\]: i doubt there is a 'corrct' in this situation
Gucky [1k?\]: correct*
EGFPro1 [-\]: gogo: somehow I don't feel scared by the double wing since w is so strong in upper left
halfadon [1k\]: Th exchange in itself seems good for white.
EGFPro1 [-\]: but we'll see
madmason [2d\]: i think there is a "correct" but none of us know what it is
pipu [5d\]: one of the wings has been clipped anyway
polat [-\]: R14 is slow I think
hurluberlu [3k\]: not at all
gogonuts [4d\]: i just dont like c6, because c6 and f3 were so equal
l5wDeiSdX2 [1d\]: there can also be two correct ways, leading to the same result ...
];W[nc]C[hurluberlu [3k\]: it's thick
l5wDeiSdX2 [1d\]: in terms of points
iCloud [8k\]: yes
iCloud [8k\]: O17
Gucky [1k?\]: at least this is kinda standard
];B[nb]C[Evilfaster [-\]: now b need to be more agressive
hurluberlu [3k\]: cut ?
iCloud [8k\]: yes cut
AndEdhel [4k\]: n17
pipu [5d\]: cut first, pro later
Wkorean [?\]: lol
Evilfaster [-\]: )))
gogonuts [4d\]: that cut is pretty fancy for an 8k :-)
torus [1k\]: headbutt and cut, is it bad?
gogonuts [4d\]: i agree though
hmm: pipuuuuuu
];W[ob]C[eleven21: p18 is standard sabaki sequence
hurluberlu [3k\]: yo
hurluberlu [3k\]: beautiful
iCloud [8k\]: :D
Evilfaster [-\]: this cut is so cut
daniug [2d\]: just like in the books
gogonuts [4d\]: everything else was too heavy
AndEdhel [4k\]: books don't fight back
pipu [5d\]: i bet n17! resist!
EGFPro1 [-\]: q18-p16-p19 now?
iCloud [8k\]: Now?
x0000 [-\]: n17 
gogonuts [4d\]: pipu, for me too
gogonuts [4d\]: q18 is so boring
iCloud [8k\]: O16
LinuxGooo [8k\]: hm... P18 doesnt evoke any aesthetical feelings in me :-) 
];B[mc]C[hurluberlu [3k\]: for real ?
pipu [5d\]: w00t
iCloud [8k\]: oh
RobertT [-\]: n17 maybe but even though white doesn't have the ladder he can drive between k16 stone
snowman [-\]: you are being too critical
x0000 [-\]: w q17 
EGFPro1 [-\]: not bad you two
];W[nd]
;B[pb]C[x0000 [-\]: =(
hurluberlu [3k\]: L16
pipu [5d\]: STAR!
gogonuts [4d\]: n17 cant be caught in a ladder, so O16 looks pretty heavy
goren22 [2k\]: i don't like white at all now
Haskell [2k\]: so classical beginning...
];W[pd]
;B[pc]C[LinuxGooo [8k\]: ah... now I get the idea of O17 :-) 
];W[mb]C[AndEdhel [4k\]: this reached critical mess
];B[oa]C[Luffyy [3d\]: L16
pipu [5d\]: m16
ihmsje [-\]: M16
gogonuts [4d\]: w only has m16 - that's not a lot
goren22 [2k\]: this is some bad result 
LinuxGooo [8k\]: kind of overconcentration for b in the top right corner, hm ?
hurluberlu [3k\]: yeah but thick
Hobbes [1k\]: go artem!
halfadon [1k\]: I like black!
EGFPro1 [-\]: betting on L16
iCloud [8k\]: yes I still like black
hurluberlu [3k\]: & artem good with thickness
torus [1k\]: i thought next move is m17. i am so dumb
];W[ld]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w needed to break into the corner instead of o16
EGFPro1 [-\]: damn
hmm: who is A K?
RobertT [-\]: it isn't too overconcentrated. its more that it was blacks territory anyway so w doesn't lose anything from black being strong there
LinuxGooo [8k\]: as all here are for artem, I am for Andrii. :-) 
Evilfaster [-\]: L16 is tesuji for another position
];B[lb]C[Evilfaster [-\]: not here
gogonuts [4d\]: that would have been even heavier, but atleast it would have achieved something
pipu [5d\]: l16 can be here too
hurluberlu [3k\]: i still like w result locally
pipu [5d\]: preferences
gogonuts [4d\]: now w has this silly heave group that isn't even doing anything
LinuxGooo [8k\]: if w could manage it that b wont sneak to center from top right side, it might be a good deal
hurluberlu [3k\]: maybe M16 heavy
];W[oh]C[LinuxGooo [8k\]: yep, here it comes
];B[pi]C[Hobbes [1k\]: b flow is easy
hurluberlu [3k\]: now you see the value of R14
gogonuts [4d\]: q11 is fun to play for b
ranyee [3k\]: fast
EGFPro1 [-\]: now I like b too
x0000 [-\]: I don't like p12 
Haskell [2k\]: why are they playing so quickly? time control is tough?
madmason [2d\]: i liked b before it was cool
hurluberlu [3k\]: K16 looks better now
K5 [5k?\]: s13 later?
hmm: alpha is A K lee sedol is A K
goren22 [2k\]: it feels like me playing a 2 d and I', white.
hurluberlu [3k\]: starting to like b a lot
iCloud [8k\]: I like his wing 
hmm: lets go A K
EGFPro1 [-\]: o16 at q17 instead possible?
x0000 [-\]: W could just p10 
Hobbes [1k\]: sure enough w next will take some time
gogonuts [4d\]: lol, goren
];W[qe]C[pipu [5d\]: i think w is ok too
];B[re];W[pf]
;B[pe]C[AndEdhel [4k\]: jist p10 it didn't happen?
iCloud [8k\]: Ko
];W[lc]C[madmason [2d\]: the ko is not a real ko
lalka: Андрею понравилось играть ко.
madmason [2d\]: at least i doubt it
hurluberlu [3k\]: it's an excuse for w
];B[ma]
;W[qe]C[goren22 [2k\]: just s14
madmason [2d\]: b connects now
madmason [2d\]: s13 probably
pipu [5d\]: you don't think b will d5? :p
gogonuts [4d\]: just duck at s13?
x0000 [-\]: q13 
hurluberlu [3k\]: D5 horrible
rwy [2k\]: black p16 is not possible?
piero: seki?
Hobbes [1k\]: w got more threats imo
Raein [?\]: K10? :P
];B[od]C[pipu [5d\]: was mostly a joke ^_^
rwy [2k\]: ah )
iCloud [8k\]: wow
Luffyy [3d\]: nice
hurluberlu [3k\]: dare to atari ?
x0000 [-\]: r13 ?
torus [1k\]: exchange?
gogonuts [4d\]: saying w cant r13
];W[qg]C[hurluberlu [3k\]: yup
];B[pe]C[Wkorean [?\]: i like that move
hurluberlu [3k\]: but she can
];W[rg]C[iCloud [8k\]: hmm
pipu [5d\]: aww so close to five in a row
x0000 [-\]: she?..
Jingoloba: Strange game
pipu [5d\]: but he missed it
];B[pg]C[hurluberlu [3k\]: now you can say overconcentrated
Haskell [2k\]: triple hane
];W[ph]C[snowman [-\]: this is giving too much for black
LinuxGooo [8k\]: now I dont understand anything what w is doing ?
];B[of]C[hurluberlu [3k\]: looks like b mistake
alphagirl [2k?\]: top right looks funny
Luffyy [3d\]: w group was heavy so maybe good choice for w
ericdai [9d?\]: hi all
x0000 [-\]: Great for w
alphagirl [2k?\]: how it become like that
gogonuts [4d\]: i think b got greedy with p16
Meloe [-\]: I don't understand W only weaknesses evrywhere
];W[qi]C[pipu [5d\]: well, r8 invasion disappeared
ericdai [9d?\]: it's the final match ?
Hobbes [1k\]: sure is good for w, but good enough?
iCloud [8k\]: this is like 15 kyu game :lol:
YZ1509 [4d\]: overall this looks good for white
pipu [5d\]: eric it is, and hi!
Goprince [5d\]: f3 or o5?
gogonuts [4d\]: w happy to sell off his troubles
mate105 [1d\]: Is this result good enough for white?
iCloud [8k\]: atari and atari
hurluberlu [3k\]: "atari is a bad move"
torus [1k\]: i like b
];B[nh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w ok again
x0000 [-\]: g16 for b
Meloe [-\]: how to suicide in one lesson
eleven21: w cheated b
Gelya [2d\]: What the heck?) 
madmason [2d\]: b cheated himself
iCloud [8k\]: tesuji
gogonuts [4d\]: b cheated himself with p16
hurluberlu [3k\]: tenuki
alphagirl [2k?\]: cool move
pipu [5d\]: w played the exchange out pretty fast
pipu [5d\]: doesn't seem that easy to evaluate
gooooo [?\]: ericdai, what do you think about the current situation?
hurluberlu [3k\]: ridiculous korigatachi
madmason [2d\]: maybe he thought about it before?
Hobbes [1k\]: sometimes giving the opponent the feeling that he has been tricked is as powerful as actually tricking him
];W[ni];B[oi];W[rh]
;B[og]C[gogonuts [4d\]: lol, hobbes
goren22 [2k\]: b needs like h16 and he wins for sure
MrBaduk [5d\]: benjamin and cornel are not playing?
];W[qh]
;B[mi]C[Haskell [2k\]: Maybe the players had discussed the result before the game?
hurluberlu [3k\]: let's make some more ugly dangos
pipu [5d\]: they are out
];W[nj]C[alphagirl [2k?\]: O_O
];B[mj]C[x0000 [-\]: Now I like B
Jingoloba: Still good for w...?
Andeol [4k\]: Benjmain and Cornel are out. This is the final round
hurluberlu [3k\]: w had to tenuki
inviite [?\]: go Artem!
LePoireau [7k\]: i feel like this result is much better for black
torus [1k\]: first quadrant is b's territory
alphagirl [2k?\]: definitely b
Hobbes [1k\]: (only)
hurluberlu [3k\]: at F15
gogonuts [4d\]: o11 was dubious, wasn't it?
alphagirl [2k?\]: hard for w
goren22 [2k\]: d13?
ranyee [3k\]: b is very fast, is the outcome of the game not important for him?
gogonuts [4d\]: o11 at p11 sure looks better to me
MrBaduk [5d\]: but they only lost 1 game :o
MrBaduk [5d\]: no loser bracket after semi final?
mate105 [1d\]: No
EGFPro1 [-\]: to me too, that's why I misclicked =)
julbla [4k\]: No
hurluberlu [3k\]: w can't answer again
Raein [?\]: Of course this is not an important game for him. Who wants to be a pro anyway?..
kittjn [1k\]: andrii from lose racket hh
Hobbes [1k\]: artem said some times ago that he is willing to be able to play not thinking about winning
mate105 [1d\]: Only one pro this time.
kittjn [1k\]: and played twice with beno
pipu [5d\]: w needs 20+pts with his thickness and those 5 w stones, seems easily doable
MrBaduk [5d\]: oh i see
Hobbes [1k\]: that's why I like him btw
hurluberlu [3k\]: b just performed counteroverconcentration
MrBaduk [5d\]: sad :(
];W[mh]C[ben0 [6d\]: You wouldnt have mind a loser bracket :D
];B[ng]C[ben0 [6d\]: I*
MrBaduk [5d\]: ;)
Andeol [4k\]: Hi, Ben
OohAah [8d?\]: nice run ben
gogonuts [4d\]: w cant allow b o9
Saeki [-\]: Is this thelast game?
ihmsje [-\]: EGFPro1, who are you?
ben0 [6d\]: Thx
];W[mk]
;B[nk]C[pipu [5d\]: ali, tell us who's winning pls :)
];W[oj]C[hurluberlu [3k\]: hane then
EGFPro1 [-\]: Benjamin Teuber here
x0000 [-\]: Hane again
gogonuts [4d\]: n9 is just as dubious as o11
OohAah [8d?\]: these 2 were my top favorites for this year's pro quali
alphagirl [2k?\]: omg its pro final
ben0 [6d\]: Im rooting for Artem too
gogonuts [4d\]: w really worked hard to muck up his own shape
YZ1509 [4d\]: doh favouratism among the audience
alphagirl [2k?\]: woot
Hobbes [1k\]: o8 can be nasty
x0000 [-\]: o7 possible?
Hobbes [1k\]: if b doesn't die
OohAah [8d?\]: andri got quite strong in china, i prefer artem's style tho
madmason [2d\]: but r8 is gonna ;)
hurluberlu [3k\]: just L10
];B[lk]
;W[ml]C[Welvang [6d\]: False
ericdai [9d?\]: I feel good for black
goren22 [2k\]: k11
pipu [5d\]: pro comment: "black is thick"
gogonuts [4d\]: w working so hard here for 10 points extra
alphagirl [2k?\]: lol pipu
Hobbes [1k\]: w right is alomst 40 points
hurluberlu [3k\]: he would like to follow at E17
EGFPro1 [-\]: yes outside must be worth more
goren22 [2k\]: w right is 35 points max
];B[kj]C[hurluberlu [3k\]: but bad shape
hurluberlu [3k\]: ok
Andeol [4k\]: Any way to completly enclose white in top left corner ?
YZ1509 [4d\]: pro can comment black is thick, if i say that at home, i certainly would get a wham
hurluberlu [3k\]: E17 strongest ?
Vino [5k\]: honestly though considering black can make a wall with E17 variation if he get's sente in this sequence, he'll win no matter how big white can make the right side
OohAah [8d?\]: i think black is good but white's still in it
alphagirl [2k?\]: hmm i know artem from kgs but who is andrii?
pipu [5d\]: wichmaster
hurluberlu [3k\]: N4 ?
x0000 [-\]: can w get sente?
pipu [5d\]: iirc
Vino [5k\]: is there a website with tornament information
goren22 [2k\]: i think w needs to attack top left black to make some thickness.  soon after g16 w will never get out
alphagirl [2k?\]: ah ok
gogonuts [4d\]: w worm in from the other side at h16?
madmason [2d\]: white can't attack top left
LePoireau [7k\]: i think white have a hard time handle the stress
pipu [5d\]: does w need to fix?
madmason [2d\]: c16 c8 miai
gogonuts [4d\]: e3 looks too slow
Vino [5k\]: white can't afford to fix
LinuxGooo [8k\]: http://www.eurogofed.org/proqualification/index_2016.html
x0000 [-\]: pipu certanly there is bad aji
hurluberlu [3k\]: J16 ;-)
Vino [5k\]: thx linux
alphagirl [2k?\]: cool thx
testgo1 [2k\]: b has p7
Hobbes [1k\]: in this moment b top right is not secure 35 points imo
alphagirl [2k?\]: who is the puroo
LinuxGooo [8k\]: :-)
pipu [5d\]: he could do an ugly fix by leaning on bottom group
hurluberlu [3k\]: or J3
EGFPro1 [-\]: maybe it's good that andrii's behind
madmason [2d\]: why?
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes i thought m4 here
x0000 [-\]: I would try c9 
Vino [5k\]: is there any meaning to andrii being number 1
];W[hc]C[gogonuts [4d\]: w might go for m4, its risky, but w needs something
Vino [5k\]: ?
hurluberlu [3k\]: low stone
EGFPro1 [-\]: he always had trouble with the goal in front of his eyes
Vino [5k\]: H17 was very important
hurluberlu [3k\]: thick shape
goren22 [2k\]: j16 for glory
EGFPro1 [-\]: pysochologically
gogonuts [4d\]: oh, even humbler than h16 :-)
pipu [5d\]: hmm i woulda put money on h16 over h17
torus [1k\]: j15
];B[ie]C[goren22 [2k\]: b j16 move of the year
H16 [3d\]: yea h16
hurluberlu [3k\]: honte ?
alphagirl [2k?\]: when leading = lazy
testgo1 [2k\]: j15 nice
EGFPro1 [-\]: and scared
piero: they can't be lazy in this game
Hobbes [1k\]: keep saying that w is far ahead in points and b moyo is not impressive
hurluberlu [3k\]: let's count
madmason [2d\]: @vino andri was the highest seeded player
alphagirl [2k?\]: bcos the one behind gets 100% offense nothing to lose
EGFPro1 [-\]: on the other hand artem does really well when ahead
hurluberlu [3k\]: J3
pipu [5d\]: b g16 d7 combo looks scary, i want to prevent it
Hobbes [1k\]: last egc he lost a completely won game against a korean (I think)
LinuxGooo [8k\]: better to hunt than being hunted... so I would feel. :-) 
Vino [5k\]: EGFPro, can you comment on black seemingly taking much less time with his moves? Is that just the way you're inputing or does his clock have more time on it?
Andeol [4k\]: By this reasoning, you should play crappy fuseki on purpose
Chmol [5d\]: k11 and all-in for center destruction :P
gogonuts [4d\]: even though it's overconcentrated, b has some very nice center real estate now
pipu [5d\]: lol k11 is toooo kgs style
goren22 [2k\]: I count 55 points for b in the middle.  
hurluberlu [3k\]: or G14
goren22 [2k\]: at the minimum
EGFPro1 [-\]: B 62min, W 58min left
madmason [2d\]: sometimes you need kgs style to win :P
x0000 [-\]: I am not sure how dangerous k11 for b even if b ignores lol
gogonuts [4d\]: m4 for me, ask for a fight
alphagirl [2k?\]: EGFPro can u describe what they doing now?
Hobbes [1k\]: 55 points you mean center + top right I presume
alphagirl [2k?\]: since there is now video...
goren22 [2k\]: yes
gogonuts [4d\]: if b ducks m4, o4 would be big
Goprince [5d\]: b spent way too many moves on that area
alphagirl [2k?\]: (looking at the board intensely)
gogonuts [4d\]: so b will prob fight
LinuxGooo [8k\]: it is difficult to descibe "thinking". Or do you think they have tea time ?
Hobbes [1k\]: so b has 65-70 points all in all
lepinskie [?\]: (cue dramatic music)
Raein [?\]: They're sitting around in a hotel room, doing thinkish things
Haskell [2k\]: I doubt the players took the game seriously.
pipu [5d\]: b is actually not that overconcentrated if you take captures into account
Vino [5k\]: k11 looks very odd to me, either genius or terrible, care to explain why you think white might stand to gain by playing there?
YZ1509 [4d\]: if black has that many points, this game was over quickly
goren22 [2k\]: about 70 of his own points yeah
];W[he]C[LinuxGooo [8k\]: maybe both dont want become pro and play crappy things around. 
gogonuts [4d\]: that's a strange conjecture, haskell
pipu [5d\]: i will do tewari in a clone
alphagirl [2k?\]: they think they hope their opponent arent thinking what they thinking...
goren22 [2k\]: but potential for another 20 in the middle depending  on reduction
Palko [1p\]: Hi, I am going to comment a game from the beginning in a cloned one
gogonuts [4d\]: what is that?
alphagirl [2k?\]: Palko wow ok
Raein [?\]: Maybe they want to become pro with their least skill
Hobbes [1k\]: great!
Song17 [4d\]: yay!
YZ1509 [4d\]: thx pavol
Vino [5k\]: where?
alphagirl [2k?\]: is it audio?
hurluberlu [3k\]: kool
ihmsje [-\]: yeah :)
Goprince [5d\]: he wants h14 g14 h16 g15 f15 
gogonuts [4d\]: h15 for h14 seems rather poor to me for w
Chmol [5d\]: k 11 is at the entrance of b top territory, and could awaken the n12 stone, but it's much too deep
LinuxGooo [8k\]: yeah, we need commentaries more... my eyes get blury with all that chat comments scrolling down in high speed *laugh*
goren22 [2k\]: h16
EGFPro1 [-\]: aiming at k17 aji, but might be bad still
goren22 [2k\]: maybe j17for b?
gogonuts [4d\]: j17 is giving in to the unknown :-)
Falcon89 [5k\]: what about B  h14?
gogonuts [4d\]: h14 is the natural move, b is just cautious because h15 smells like a trap
Falcon89 [5k\]: yes
torus [1k\]: h14 should be next if you are man
];B[hf]C[gogonuts [4d\]: he heard you
Raein [?\]: And K10 if you're a woman or what?
Raein [?\]: :P
Hobbes [1k\]: the real pastafarian plays a1
SuaTuoi [-\]: j14
];W[gf];B[hg]
;W[ck]C[Hobbes [1k\]: very clever game by w
gogonuts [4d\]: c9 is smaller than e3
gogonuts [4d\]: w faking it
goren22 [2k\]: does b do the d3 thingy right about now?
];B[gg]C[gogonuts [4d\]: hm, g13 looks lazy
goren22 [2k\]: or does w e3 now  that b decided to kina not really do a strong mocve?
gogonuts [4d\]: good chance
Haskell [2k\]: Now I can understand why AlphaGo could win Europian pro.
Vino [5k\]: shots fired
K5 [5k?\]: G13 looks thick to me
zen [1d\]: fan hui was a chinese pro
Raein [?\]: Become the next european pro and beat AlphaGo
];W[jc];B[kc];W[id]
;B[je]C[Falcon89 [5k\]: beat Fan Hui first
INtro [7k\]: become pro first
];W[eq]C[Hobbes [1k\]: sure enough that fan hui is almost undefeated against any eu top player... and alphago crushed him
gogonuts [4d\]: g13 is responsible for a long and painful endgame
Hobbes [1k\]: c3
goren22 [2k\]: yeah, g13 looked so sluggish
goren22 [2k\]: l7?
K5 [5k?\]: I like G3
goren22 [2k\]: e9?
zen [1d\]: D7
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe o5
gogonuts [4d\]: w m4 still a bother otherwise
Vino [5k\]: what about something a lot stronger, like O7?
K5 [5k?\]: O5 interesting point, but LL w double wing threatening
];B[hq]C[Hobbes [1k\]: now w is 80 ish
lichigo [2d?\]: black is winning 
Falcon89 [5k\]: and B ?
lichigo [2d?\]: for sure
gogonuts [4d\]: now b intends to counter m4, i guess
gogonuts [4d\]: w only o4 now?
goren22 [2k\]: n4?
Hobbes [1k\]: 70 ish
Hobbes [1k\]: of cash
Falcon89 [5k\]: k  thx
EGFPro1 [-\]: don't miss out on palko's live commentary in his cloned game
zima [1k\]: looks like w a little bit ahead
goren22 [2k\]: i would w e9
abz [3k\]: o6
Hobbes [1k\]: as I said w was clever... and b maybe a bit lazy
OohAah [8d?\]: artem's style is like that, he plays very thick
K5 [5k?\]: n6??
guapo [1k\]: the guys that lost the semifinal don't have another chance?
Hobbes [1k\]: yes
Hobbes [1k\]: next year
OohAah [8d?\]: but white did grab a lot..
Saeki [-\]: lol
Haskell [2k\]: aliens catch the top Ukranian players and changed their minds for minds of some KGS kyu players. only explanation. But mayby I couldn't realize so complicated almost-pro game right... need some mind-up drugs to understand.
Saeki [-\]: ?
alphagirl [2k?\]: ooh so many moves now
Hobbes [1k\]: aliens sure enough got you man
guapo [1k\]: i thought it was double elimination
];W[ip];B[iq]
;W[mp]C[Saeki [-\]: guapo , only untill the 3rd round
];B[mq];W[kp]
;B[lp]C[guapo [1k\]: but that's unfair
];W[lo]
;B[lq]C[goren22 [2k\]: yay blitz'
Saeki [-\]: depends
Hobbes [1k\]: b is so bad
Hobbes [1k\]: now h9 is building for w
anton007 [-\]: b??
guapo [1k\]: for example andi kravets lost to the same guy he defeated in the semifinal
goren22 [2k\]: p3?
alphagirl [2k?\]: hmm anyone counted?
guapo [1k\]: they were 1 and 1 but andii had another chacne
Dantek [1d\]: b leads
piero: c3 ?
alphagirl [2k?\]: yeah left corner...
alphagirl [2k?\]: what can w do
alphagirl [2k?\]: b*
];W[be]C[anton007 [-\]: seems easy game for b
Hobbes [1k\]: d9?
Dantek [1d\]: b D7
maluszek [3d\]: N7
];B[mn]C[Dantek [1d\]: close
mate105 [1d\]: B is playing fast.
Goprince [5d\]: cloe game .. for now w is leading but depends on b using center thickness here
maluszek [3d\]: w is loosing
];W[ll]C[maluszek [3d\]: c3 nice probe
];B[kl]C[K5 [5k?\]: ^oo^o
];W[ln]C[madmason [2d\]: that center thickness seems kinda hard to use
];B[nm]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b better find something to mess up w here
polat [-\]: .
maluszek [3d\]: seems like easy game for b
Goprince [5d\]: ugh is n7 really the move to play? so ugly
sum [3d\]: B sequence cute
gogonuts [4d\]: this looks like breaking it up nicely - that makes b15 tenuki dubious
Saeki [-\]: hmm
gwidon: !!
Zonked [2d\]: cant see how n7 would save the day
RobertT [-\]: it doesnt quite work
RobertT [-\]: (n7)
Vino [5k\]: how does it almost work?
Goprince [5d\]: locally seems ot work but outside.. notusre
ko73 [1d\]: L7?
DJhGO [1k\]: what is your aim with n7
DJhGO [1k\]: b can connect his stones
Goprince [5d\]: to cut o7
Dantek [1d\]: w needs to connect at m7
gwidon: B won
RobertT [-\]: it doesnt quite cut
Zonked [2d\]: ends up as ko
Goprince [5d\]: doesnt cut
Goprince [5d\]: ?
piero: w should resign?
DJhGO [1k\]: o5 would connect
Zonked [2d\]: n7 o5 o4 o8 m7 p4 n5 p5 
comeon [?\]: kravec= zero talent
RobertT [-\]: n7 o8 m7 n4 then white is short on libs
comeon [?\]: he would fit in well with the rest of egf pros
RobertT [-\]: capture o4 and l5 cut become miai
Asgard [2k\]: n7 o8 m7 o4 
Hobbes [1k\]: that's what you call a consctructive criticism comeon?
Raein [?\]: Well it's online, what do you expect
Zonked [2d\]: ah, robertT sequence much better than mine
Vino [5k\]: What is kravec?
Hobbes [1k\]: a wine
Goprince [5d\]: right.. robert ugh only m7?
Jazzman [1d\]: kravtes misspelled
Vino [5k\]: try again
];W[km];B[nl];W[jl]
;B[kk]C[whatisgo [-\]: trolls are my favorite animale
];W[lm]
;B[pk]C[Zonked [2d\]: looks like w losing the game here
madmason [2d\]: i hope that some day i will find a move as nice s o7
Hobbes [1k\]: w can build some ceter now
];W[pj]C[sum [3d\]: B+8,5
];B[np]C[Hobbes [1k\]: but left side seems a bit a waterloo
cohen [4k?\]: this is the final?
Hobbes [1k\]: right*
MaLa [3d\]: it is
Zonked [2d\]: center dame, open from too many sides?
cohen [4k?\]: thanks
gogonuts [4d\]: b15 got punished severely
cohen [4k?\]: and who willl be a pro?
gogonuts [4d\]: b looks fine again
Dantek [1d\]: artem
Hobbes [1k\]: well it's open from top and bottom, but top should be double sente
void001 [3k\]: yes cohen
gwidon: No W territiry on the left
Goprince [5d\]: having this w group cut is too much
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: is sente
Vino [5k\]: white can take away those two sente's in gote
cohen [4k?\]: the first 3 will become a pro?
DJhGO [1k\]: just the winner
sum [3d\]: the first 1
DJhGO [1k\]: if this match
cohen [4k?\]: aaa
cohen [4k?\]: ok
Zonked [2d\]: zonked, the type of moyo b has, its not actually double sente, plus as goprince opinted out, w not actually thick, the w group has no eyes
Raein [?\]: Only 1 pro
cohen [4k?\]: thank you guys!
Zonked [2d\]: ...
Vino [5k\]: I really appreciate that correction!
DJhGO [1k\]: is h10 sente for white?
Zonked [2d\]: maybe I need some more sleep, or watch what Im typing at very least, meant to adress hobbes
sum [3d\]: I mean, W cant hope for L11 to work;
Raein [?\]: Addressing yourself instead of someone else is really a sign for not enough sleep :D
];W[jj]C[Hobbes [1k\]: here it come the double sente
];B[ki]C[sum [3d\]: if W sacrifices 15 on R, W needs 24 in center
sum [3d\]: impossible
EGFPro1 [-\]: w 32min, b 50min left
];W[pl]C[Alltro [2d\]: r8 is so big for b
Alltro [2d\]: )
sum [3d\]: so W is realistic:)
];B[jk]C[Seimeitaek [1k?\]: each two hours? or 90 min
Zonked [2d\]: b could r9 in sente, w had to q8
ericdai [9d?\]: i think black is winning
Goprince [5d\]: yea
Zonked [2d\]: r9 p9 q7 p8 p7 q8 r8 r7 r6 s7 s6 q5 and grab whole corner, if w tries to resist r9
torus [1k\]: you are 9d so you are correct
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: difficult for w
Goprince [5d\]: with weak group in middle maybe he can even c3
K5 [5k?\]: So we're blaming B15 for greed?
sum [3d\]: sure
goren22 [2k\]: time to b14
comeon [?\]: b15 proof of zero talent
Vino [5k\]: time to tenuki
];W[il]
;B[ik]C[Goprince [5d\]: b14... is small
Goprince [5d\]: ish
sum [3d\]: b15 like Fan Hui against AlphaGo playing premature endgame
Alltro [2d\]: h4 critical for w
Asgard [2k\]:  w have corner o6  w move
RobertT [-\]: I still count is fairly close
Hobbes [1k\]: till now
Hobbes [1k\]: b got nothig
torus [1k\]: g13 became good move because of b15
K5 [5k?\]: good point
];W[bf]C[Goprince [5d\]: maximum greed...
gwidon: H8
Dantek [1d\]: go kill w center
DJhGO [1k\]: b15 might bee too small but it is understandable, b was good on points and w needed profit
sum [3d\]: e11 and game over
];B[hl]C[Goprince [5d\]: h8 h7 j7 
];W[in]C[Goprince [5d\]: ah dindt hane :)
Naphthalin [10k?\]: winner here will be pro?
];B[hm]C[Actorios [3k\]: yes
Falcon89 [5k\]: yes
Goprince [5d\]: can c3 no?
K5 [5k?\]: K5 looks increasingly dangerous
sum [3d\]: c3 d2 have you read it all?
thor88 [3d\]: w dominated
gwidon: No eyes
];W[hn]
;B[cg]C[Seimeitaek [1k?\]: is w angry?
Hobbes [1k\]: K5 [5k?\]: K5.... nice combo
Wkorean [?\]: isnt there a cut at o6?
Goprince [5d\]: no
Haskell [2k\]: Goprince, c3 for ko?
sum [3d\]: o6 p6 o5 n5 p5 n7 
BurzoS [?\]: f14
];W[kb];B[kd];W[fe]
;B[ef]C[goren22 [2k\]: g9
Goprince [5d\]: c3 d2 b6  and use aji outside
ihmsje [-\]: EGFPro1 how much time do they have left?
Goprince [5d\]: b playing slack endgame imo
ranyee [3k\]: se says w is ahead
Goprince [5d\]: really slack
Haskell [2k\]: thx
Naphthalin [10k?\]: @ranyee: chiense rules
EGFPro1 [-\]: b 49min, w 27min
Hobbes [1k\]: c7 is a move now for b?
Goprince [5d\]: he just gave b14 and f15 sente,,,
Slowmotion [4d\]: b ahead by 10 
Goprince [5d\]: no hes isnt...
Hobbes [1k\]: on board?
K5 [5k?\]: B is thick
ben0 [6d\]: Artem FTW
Dantek [1d\]: b+5 and b has no weakness
Hobbes [1k\]: FTWM (for the win maybe)
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: ftw?
BurzoS [?\]: f7
projmaks [12k?\]: fight to win?
Hobbes [1k\]: e9+
urlaub16 [?\]: b is massiv but has not enough ...
ko73 [1d\]: g9?
K5 [5k?\]: I like e9
Haskell [2k\]: euphemism for wtf
Zonked [2d\]: e9 or something similar?
cohen [4k?\]: admin where we can see the results?
K5 [5k?\]: Of maybe e8
];W[gk]C[Zonked [2d\]: would be super painful if b got to play d7
BurzoS [?\]: so brutal
Hobbes [1k\]: f7?
Goprince [5d\]: seems overplay
K5 [5k?\]: Kiai!
Vino [5k\]: just connect then?
Zonked [2d\]: no, no connecting, fight back
Goprince [5d\]: no way around f8 or something
sum [3d\]: connect and most conservative score is B + 4,5
ericdai [9d?\]: F8 then H9
];B[hk]C[Vino [5k\]: euro pro disagrees
Goprince [5d\]: wow f8 h9???
Hobbes [1k\]: artem!!! you are losing!!
K5 [5k?\]: f7? Feels B so submissive
];W[ek]C[zwim [5k\]: i liked f8 f9 f6.
Hobbes [1k\]: c7
Goprince [5d\]: f8h9 f9  then?
DJhGO [1k\]: guys who count for w
];B[qr]C[Vino [5k\]: then we know it's wrong ^_^
DJhGO [1k\]: how do you count
Goprince [5d\]: so big :(
maluszek [3d\]: looks like mistake
sum [3d\]: who said this is 23 deire points?
Zonked [2d\]: should b have played j7 before h9 at very least? it seems to affect some attack scenarios against m5 group..
leachy [2k\]: you take the current count and add 1 for each further point
Pillan [1k\]: is this the final?
Dantek [1d\]: yes
MaLa [3d\]: yes
Vino [5k\]: no
Seimeitaek [1k?\]:  wenn you feel you will win, than give too many and lost. 
Vino [5k\]: maybe
infinity9 [4d\]: who is leading now?
ltrd [4k\]: b
Hobbes [1k\]: bis less than 80
Hobbes [1k\]: I think w is winning now
ltrd [4k\]: w? never
infinity9 [4d\]: haha
Dantek [1d\]: b around 70-75
Saeki [-\]: lol
DJhGO [1k\]: w has 50 points
Slowmotion [4d\]: ...
Hobbes [1k\]: if you say so
ko73 [1d\]: N5 , P6?
RobertT [-\]: how did you get 50 for white lol
DJhGO [1k\]: you cant count top points atm
ltrd [4k\]: w has to answer r2
sum [3d\]: IMO R15 lost the game; something like m13 was better
DJhGO [1k\]: counting the sure territory
ltrd [4k\]: because of r5
Hobbes [1k\]: w top is sure
DJhGO [1k\]: yep
DJhGO [1k\]: like 6 points
Achiles [2k?\]: f7
RoseMorris [1k\]: I like blacks play, he will win.
ltrd [4k\]: r5 for b?
gwidon: W has about 67
ltrd [4k\]: when w does not answer
Hobbes [1k\]: plus komi
Jazzman [1d\]: it is w's turn. so dont care for b r5...
sum [3d\]: minus prisoner difference
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: hi Volker
ltrd [4k\]: indeed but in case of tenuki
Jazzman [1d\]: hi meide
Vino [5k\]: B has very little to worry about, so she is free to attack as she likes, the question is, has she attack for 15 points worth of damage?
];W[rr]C[Vino [5k\]: can*
];B[pq]C[Dantek [1d\]: b is a dude
Raein [?\]: he*
];W[rq]C[testestest [2k\]: lol
];B[jb]C[ltrd [4k\]: k18
Vino [5k\]: in the game of go b is the feminine
sum [3d\]: wait, this is not Berlekamp with Black = she
ltrd [4k\]: :-)
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: why not j18?
Raein [?\]: I call that discrimination :P
leachy [2k\]: maybe not that but definitely artem is a man
Hobbes [1k\]: j18 is gote
Slowmotion [4d\]: b f7 seems important
madmason [2d\]: maybe one of his younglings
Pillan [1k\]: B has initiative
ltrd [4k\]: time to resign
Saeki [-\]: lol
Vino [5k\]: its meant to be more yin and yang then anything else
EGFPro1 [-\]: live commentary is in palko's clone
sum [3d\]: read First Kyu and do not resign but play James Kervin style :(
];W[gr]C[Hobbes [1k\]: huge
leachy [2k\]: yes i think g2 was bigger than k18
madmason [2d\]: he counts black +12 not much else going on regarding commentary
madmason [2d\]: it's only 100 moves or so of engame left
];B[gq]C[maluszek [3d\]: instead r2 G2 would be better for B. or even C3
];W[fq]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: yes this game went so rapidly to a black win, less than half an hour
Slowmotion [4d\]: g6 
Hobbes [1k\]: I guess b is looking at j6
];B[ic]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: now it will take a full hour to bring it home
sum [3d\]: B making fun of W moyo plan
Zonked [2d\]: j17 really biggest?
maluszek [3d\]: again mistake ....
Saeki [-\]: rly?
comeon [?\]: Cornel is  from the final
comeon [?\]: the semifinal was the final
Hobbes [1k\]: is that a koan?
comeon [?\]: Cornel is missing
alphagirl [2k?\]: o_O
LePoireau [7k\]: can b kill j6?
];W[hb];B[cd];W[bd]
;B[dc]C[alphagirl [2k?\]: where is cornel 
Vino [5k\]: "I get black + 12" 
Vino [5k\]: -Palko[1p\]
madmason [2d\]: d17 seems unimportant
YZ1509 [4d\]: cornel is crying in the a1 corner
Falcon89 [5k\]: haha
comeon [?\]: like Palko can count:)
goren22 [2k\]: lol at mad
alphagirl [2k?\]: hmm
Falcon89 [5k\]: YZ you are bad
Hobbes [1k\]: well unimportant does not mean gote
sum [3d\]: privilege is the word
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes 4d's are bad indeed, how did you figure that
Hobbes [1k\]: but g16 is maybe his plan
Falcon89 [5k\]: haha
mnbvcx: white is good
infinity9 [4d\]: after b presses down h6 group it's gonna be b+10 or b+15
hmm: e18 must
alphagirl [2k?\]: 4d traded their family and friends for rank of corz they are bad
LePoireau [7k\]: if blaxk play play g6 what will you aswer as white
LePoireau [7k\]: ?
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes most players count a black lead of 8 or more
zen [1d\]: and yet according to kibbitz every b move is completely wrong
ltrd [4k\]: e18 only move for w
];W[eb]
;B[fm]C[Gelya [2d\]: Black lead? O_o I think it is white leading 
alphagirl [2k?\]: hmm i dunno
sum [3d\]: W should resign and spend the saved hour to study for next year's qualifications
alphagirl [2k?\]: i root for artem from the start
YZ1509 [4d\]: well gelya you ain't a player yet ^^
];W[gn]C[Desperis [2k?\]: No qualification next year
];B[fl]C[sum [3d\]: what?
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: why all european Go-pros are slawish?
ranyee [3k\]: is there go totalizator on egf?
Saeki [-\]: why only 1 pro this year? anyone know the reason?
ltrd [4k\]: i dont understand why w does not resign
ihmsje [-\]: Seimeitaek: closer to china ;)
Hobbes [1k\]: ali jabarin is so slawish
Slowmotion [4d\]: seems game will end soon
sum [3d\]: and so European
alphagirl [2k?\]: oh just 1 this yr
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: ali come from lsrael
Falcon89 [5k\]: Saeki, i think that's the rule they set up
Songhye [7k\]: Congratulation artem, you're the best
];W[fj]C[Vino [5k\]: there aren't many in the tornament, seems kinda light to call 15% of the participants 'pro'
];B[dl]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: one pro per year still makes many pro over time
Vino [5k\]: yes
YZ1509 [4d\]: but i fear i must get 115 years old before i manage to become pro too
Hobbes [1k\]: actually we are already running out of super strong candidates imo
sum [3d\]: in 100 years we will complain about 99 egf 9p
RobertT [-\]: if they do 2 per year soon all egf 6ds will be pro, even azerbaijan 6ds
Slowmotion [4d\]: f5 weakness is painful
Falcon89 [5k\]: 1 per 2 yrs is better
Saeki [-\]: thats when you think that no other players will be good in the game again
Raein [?\]: Do you think the popularity of Go will rise on 15th March?
YZ1509 [4d\]: yeah by 2%
RobertT [-\]: for like 2 months
Saeki [-\]: in Ukraine it certainly will
goren22 [2k\]: yeah
Hobbes [1k\]: more or less like any painter.... it will raise after his death
sum [3d\]: Lee saves humanity
Tichu [7d?\]: so next year none or one new pro?
Raein [?\]: Do you think it depends on the outcome of the game?
goren22 [2k\]: it;ll be a deep blue all over again
];W[el]C[torus [1k\]: sedol is very confident on thr match
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes the dutch governement is stating a claim of 2 billion on tax on google
sum [3d\]: per year?
ltrd [4k\]: c7?
urlaub16 [?\]: strange - w was on way to win - and make strange moves and now nearly give the game away
sum [3d\]: B really found a way to make a winnin game complicated  again
];B[fn]C[MaLa [3d\]: those 2 last lines
MaLa [3d\]: just great
MaLa [3d\]: :D
alphagirl [2k?\]: isn't b winning
ltrd [4k\]: nice idea for b :-)
MaLa [3d\]: experts obv dont agree
EGFPro1 [-\]: first, B was winning all game. second, I'm sure he has a plan
Gelya [2d\]: b leads a little bit
Vino [5k\]: b isn't winning. at best, b has a chance to win
K5 [5k?\]: B playing very confidently imo
comeon [?\]: why a transciber would chat durung the game online?
Vino [5k\]: white has more points solid
comeon [?\]: why is that allowed?
MoonGlow [3k\]: how much time thay have? 
Raein [?\]: Why not comeon?
Matrok [3k\]: I don't ynhink we're running out of near-pro level amateur players in Europe
comeon [?\]: it disturbs the players
alphagirl [2k?\]: what kind of tea they have?
Raein [?\]: No it doesnt
comeon [?\]: it does
Vino [5k\]: they dont see lol
Raein [?\]: Very silent writers there
LinuxGooo [8k\]: looks like to become a close finish b +3.5 or so :-) 
Raein [?\]: I was there 2 days ago, it really isn't disturbing
EGFPro1 [-\]: w 5 min left
comeon [?\]: you don't know anything
OohAah [8d?\]: it's common
EGFPro1 [-\]: they cannot hear this
OohAah [8d?\]: i saw some guys playing LoL while scribing the long games here in china
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: f6 as i considered
zwim [5k\]: is there something else than g4 ?
Vino [5k\]: come on comeon, isn't not complicated, it's considered common
comeon [?\]: that's bad
comeon [?\]: maybe ok for china and egf pro quali...
torus [1k\]: w center seems to be safe to me. Am I correct?
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: haha changqi cup maybe each 3.5 hours?
experiment [3d\]: whos ahead?
AndEdhel [4k\]: f5
experiment [3d\]: just got in
Dantek [1d\]: b
maluszek [3d\]: d8 seem to be 3rd mistake in the row. if B losses it will be accoridng to his pure endgame
experiment [3d\]: nice
torus [1k\]: If cut, k5 would be fine.
gobudo [2k\]: where can I see video of this game?
Saeki [-\]: no video
Saeki [-\]: cause germany bans streams
gobudo [2k\]: :(
Raein [?\]: And theres no money for streams
ltrd [4k\]: d8 is no mistake
Raein [?\]: Or equipment
Raein [?\]: Afaik
Shah [9k\]: а почему нельзя f5 белому сходить? 
wilhelm12: how much would you pay for a video of the game?
EGFPro1 [-\]: actually today we found that streaming is possible again
LinuxGooo [8k\]: thats nonsense... youtube or ustream ot twitch.tv are cost free... not an argument not to stream it. All hotels in Germany have wifi nowadays 
Raein [?\]: But you need equipment to do that
madmason [2d\]: why would streaming be banned in germany
EGFPro1 [-\]: but I couldn't get the web cam working 
madmason [2d\]: yeah a webcam
];W[dm]C[madmason [2d\]: thats all you need
LinuxGooo [8k\]: its more the question having the personal staff and payment to do so
Saeki [-\]: Just a camera you need , nothing else, my 8 year old cousin can stream
EGFPro1 [-\]: driver problems
Dantek [1d\]: yay
wilhelm12: saeki: come and do ... you're invited
Hobbes [1k\]: w went all in
Beleragor [7k\]: maybe in germany there are some laws about streaming
bert [?\]: take a taxi
Beleragor [7k\]: that we dont know
LinuxGooo [8k\]: a Web HD cam you get on amazon for 70-80 EUros... that cant be the argument, too. 
];B[jp]C[Saeki [-\]: Beleregor ye , thats what I knew
LinuxGooo [8k\]: it only become a problem in Germany if you use music in such streamings... 
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: eurotv closed?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: then it can be blocked
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: eurogotv
Saeki [-\]: Seimetek ye
EGFPro1 [-\]: there will be more streams from now on
wilhelm12: linuxgoo: how much would you pay to see a video?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: EuroGO.TV is history, yes... 
EGFPro1 [-\]: promise
Dantek [1d\]: w is dead
LinuxGooo [8k\]: why should I pay for a video if such a tournament has sponsors ??? 
Vino [5k\]: so 0?
Raein [?\]: How much time do the players have left on their clock?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: I have to watch 3 hours the logo of the sponsors, and in between even would get 30 second advertising clips... thast payment enough. 
wilhelm12: linuxgoo: i'm one of the sponsors, and thank you for the anwser
EGFPro1 [-\]: w enters byoyomi
EGFPro1 [-\]: b 43min left
Raein [?\]: Thx
Gelya [2d\]: f5 connects but it is b
Gelya [2d\]: not enough*
torus [1k\]: ko?
LinuxGooo [8k\]: then you should exchange your marketing CEO wilhelm12 :-)
ltrd [4k\]: f5 h5
Weishenme [4d\]: k5 l5 f5 
];W[jo]C[Asgard [2k\]: b win)) gogogo
];B[ko]C[wilhelm12: linuxgoo: may I change the sport
Hobbes [1k\]: w b is playing so fast?
];W[fo]C[gobudo [2k\]: because he can
Hobbes [1k\]: he can lose you mean
piero: byo yomi?
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: 43 min, he can fall asleep and than finish the final game
EGFPro1 [-\]: so that was b's plan
];B[hp]
;W[go]C[ltrd [4k\]: k6
RobertT [-\]: my guess is to win
ranyee [3k\]: b gain here a little
ranyee [3k\]: giving up d8
];B[bj];W[bk]
;B[dj]C[K5 [5k?\]: and still has D10
maluszek [3d\]: b lost more than 10 points here
];W[dk]C[Hobbes [1k\]: c11
];B[gi]C[Lilou [1d\]: close now
Sakuragi [3k\]: really close
Saeki [-\]: seems like B is leading the game for quite some time now
ranyee [3k\]: even now?
goren22 [2k\]: h2
];W[hr]C[goren22 [2k\]: or g10
];B[io]C[sum [3d\]: h1 not better?
];W[jn]
;B[qp]C[Hobbes [1k\]: b still 70-75
Hobbes [1k\]: but w gained points
EGFPro1 [-\]: h1-j1
Alltro [2d\]: f11 for b is good
ranyee [3k\]: f6 mitake?
Pinguschaf [?\]: d8 was i think
];W[op]C[torus [1k\]: what was r4 for?
];B[rp]C[Lilou [1d\]: s1 sente
maluszek [3d\]: middle game was nice for B. Endgame is awfull
];W[qo]C[ltrd [4k\]: endgame
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: sacrifice?
ltrd [4k\]: yes
ltrd [4k\]: s1
];B[qm]C[Lilou [1d\]: ouu
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: waw
Dantek [1d\]: wow
alphagirl [2k?\]: *_*
comeon [?\]: this doesn't work
maluszek [3d\]: again mistake
Thundergod [7d\]: maluszek is strong
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: but w in byoyomi
sum [3d\]: W trying to make half pointer and loses big o o
testestest [2k\]: r6 ?
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: maybe no time to think
gwidon: Maluszek ??
laoky [2d?\]: doesn't work for b
];W[qn];B[pm]
;W[on]C[Saeki [-\]: wo
laoky [2d?\]: :-)
sum [3d\]: who said W play so fast ;(
];B[mo]C[alphagirl [2k?\]: w broken
];W[om];B[rs]
;W[ro]C[infinity9 [4d\]: if you ever wondered how to lose a won game this is it
];B[qk];W[ql];B[ok]
;W[rk]C[Thundergod [7d\]: black is losing this game?
sum [3d\]: no
ltrd [4k\]: b wins
piero: s8 ?
sum [3d\]: ´but he tries hard
];B[ir];W[gj]
;B[hj]C[zwim [5k\]: the try was not very succesful.
];W[fi]
;B[fh]C[Lukan [7d\]: Artem wanna throw away the final game like I did two years ago? ^^
comeon [?\]: no
];W[bg]C[comeon [?\]: he playes much better
torus [1k\]: our SE is so stupid and i don't want to count
infinity9 [4d\]: artem threw away that egc 201x stupidly...
];B[bh]
;W[ei]C[Seimeitaek [1k?\]: he shows tesuji for us
comeon [?\]: egc2010
];B[ak]C[ltrd [4k\]: still very comfortable for b
comeon [?\]: was not his fault
];W[dh]C[ranyee [3k\]: h16 time when?
];B[ch];W[dg];B[df]
;W[ff]C[alphagirl [2k?\]: SE stop killing b group at the bottom
];B[eg]C[anton007 [-\]: b+?
alphagirl [2k?\]: staaahp
];W[al];B[aj];W[bl]
;B[gd]C[Dantek [1d\]: tesuji
];W[hd]C[Hobbes [1k\]: g16 I said it!!
YZ1509 [4d\]: bashing the e18 stones
];B[fd]C[anton007 [-\]: b+5
];W[ed];B[ec];W[gc];B[ee]
;W[ib]C[anton007 [-\]: e6
];B[en]C[goren22 [2k\]: b 95
YZ1509 [4d\]: yes clearly Artem has brought it home, no way he will lose now
];W[nn];B[mm];W[oq]
;B[or]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: r1
];W[qs]C[zwim [5k\]: yep, ça sent l'écurie pour Artem et le sapin pour Andrii.
];B[eo];W[ep];B[do]
;W[co]C[rayheart [?\]: at least because if kravits won taking into account that artem waws undefeated it was unfair forme.
];B[ps];W[jc]
;B[ka]C[Lilou [1d\]: isnt artem 7d?
infinity9 [4d\]: n+7.5
Dilemma [2d\]: o4 big
anton007 [-\]: seems b+10
Javaness [-\]: maybe next year it is nicer to have a KO system with best of 3 final
piero: he was 7d
sum [3d\]: we are counting the seconds for how long 7d
Lilou [1d\]: ^^
zwim [5k\]: have that too b+10.5
YZ1509 [4d\]: yeah we definitely need a ko system, those ko are way to complex for us mortals
];W[ah]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: a13
];B[ag]
;W[af]C[Javaness [-\]: KO=knockout :p not ko
];B[di];W[eh];B[oo]
;W[po]C[Vino [5k\]: ok
];B[no]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: and the games should be played on boxingday
comeon [?\]: why give kravec a second chance in the first place?
Hobbes [1k\]: g15?
];W[ge]C[Saeki [-\]: cause that was the system
];B[fg]C[Vino [5k\]: cuz first place
Egg [8k\]: what is a go system ?
];W[cj]C[inviite [?\]: the system was very strange
];B[bi]C[Vino [5k\]: what is
inviite [?\]: you got a second chance only if you lost in the first 2 rounds
];W[ed];B[im]
;W[jm]C[gwidon: B +8
];B[ol];W[rm];B[fr]
;W[er]C[YZ1509 [4d\]: as predicted onehundred moves ago
];B[hs];W[fs]
;B[fd]C[comeon [?\]: ben0 needed another chance
comeon [?\]: to beat kravec again
];W[ia]C[Egg [8k\]: so who becomes pro ?
experiment [3d\]: is it over?
YZ1509 [4d\]: sure next year gadget
];B[sf]C[Vino [5k\]: next time
Falcon89 [5k\]: Egg, Artem
comeon [?\]: there will be no next time
Vino [5k\]: next time!!
];W[sg]C[Egg [8k\]: perhaps there will be some yose tesuji
];B[rf]C[Falcon89 [5k\]: too bad W cannot kill the n8invasion
YZ1509 [4d\]: so it becomes proven that the best way to become pro is not running for it
Falcon89 [5k\]: n5 invasion*
Egg [8k\]: eh, is b17 a point ?
test1234a: game is finished?
Falcon89 [5k\]: almost
];W[ja]
;B[ic]C[Gelya [2d\]: about 9-10 pts
];W[li];B[lj]
;W[jc]C[Vino [5k\]: white is hoping black will run out of time?
Vino [5k\]: never give up
sum [3d\]: order of ko threats  not book-move order
liusasori [3d\]: so artem new pro being undefeated ?
];B[bc];W[cb]
;B[ic]C[Vino [5k\]: artem new pro being winner of the final
zwim [5k\]: he can at least use h5 as ko threat rather than inner black territory...
];W[is];B[js]
;W[jc]C[Seimeitaek [1k?\]: yes finished
];B[gp];W[fp];B[ic]
;W[hi]C[Egg [8k\]: h5 is also a point
];B[gh]C[sum [3d\]: h4 is 1 2/3
Egg [8k\]: 1, 2 or 3 ?
Palko [1p\]: 1 and 1/3
Vino [5k\]: black L18 should be a winning move. She should just play it
RobertT [-\]: 1 1/3
sum [3d\]: 1 + 2/3
sum [3d\]: area scoring!
];W[jc]C[Lilou [1d\]: she?
Vino [5k\]: black is she in the game of go
Vino [5k\]: idk why
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: t2?
Vino [5k\]: yin and yang my friend
YZ1509 [4d\]: yeah vino believes all blacks are she
];B[sr];W[sp]
;B[ic]C[torus [1k\]: black must be it
Saeki [-\]: I would believe that too if I was vino
Egg [8k\]: does black have to add a move somewhere in the center if white wins this ko ?
Vino [5k\]: Yes you would ^_^
];W[ce]
;B[jc]C[Nirvanc [2k\]: no 
];W[ho]C[Seimeitaek [1k?\]: no matter with the ko
Eusebius [?\]: Some books use She and he in diagrams to indicate color. Of course this is not aplied when the real ses is known!
];B[ip]C[Eusebius [?\]: real sex
Hobbes [1k\]: wrong chat for that
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: -_-
Raein [?\]: Real sex? WTF? Link?
Egg [8k\]: cough
bolbi [-\]: enough
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: -_- XD c(: 
Vino [5k\]: I always look at a go board without thinking about the people behind the stones. So I use the he/she convention because I'm used to it
Naphthalin [10k?\]: i believe eusebius just did this specific spelling error to make that correction message
];W[nr]
;B[ns]C[Raein [?\]: :P
];W[mr]
;B[lr]C[xiaorulai4 [4k\]: lol
Lilou [1d\]: not banned? lucky boy 
Hobbes [1k\]: oh, you ruined all my hopes Napht
Egg [8k\]: another ko coming up
bab84k: please everybody! Respect the taboos of our society!
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: i thought this was a go server...
puerhista [1d\]: i actually considered both color "he", because woman are so rare among go players
mooooo [4k?\]: its a kibitz go server x)
YZ1509 [4d\]: nah it's a go sewer
RobertT [-\]: no, its just a chat room with a view
Egg [8k\]: to kill
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: -_-
Raein [?\]: What's "Go"? 
YZ1509 [4d\]: all baduk gets flushed here daily
Vino [5k\]: I can't play go! I just did my nails!
Hobbes [1k\]: not that much of a view actually...just some stones out there
Beleragor [7k\]: can anybody explain to me the last 2 W moves?
sum [3d\]: W cannot win a dame ko fight
mooooo [4k?\]: i think its like chess but from japan or smth
JustHrew [1d\]: Timesuji maybe
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: useless white moves beleragor
sum [3d\]: last 2 moves create 1 ko threat at o2 
Beleragor [7k\]: thx guys (or girls)
];W[bb]C[Beleragor [7k\]: :P
];B[is];W[gs]
;B[ms]C[Egg [8k\]: ok, so it is amazingly close after all
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: ...but thats it, not much, and there wont be any more ko...
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: I think no girls here
Vino [5k\]: it's not close, b is wayyy ahead
YZ1509 [4d\]: eight points ain't close
Pillan [1k\]: Artem is the new pro
Egg [8k\]: for a kyu thats close
zwim [5k\]: it's maybe chinese but you still lose points playing inside till there are dame.
Vino [5k\]: it doesn't have to do with strength, it has to do with the stage of the game
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: white should t2?
];W[sq]
;B[qs]C[Vino [5k\]: 8 points in meaningless in opening, and small in middle
Egg [8k\]: ko
];W[ss]C[xiaorulai4 [4k\]: ...and another ko
Raein [?\]: What's the next big Go tourney coming up (after March 15th Sedol game)?
Egg [8k\]: cornerko
Vino [5k\]: but in the final moves of the endgame 8 points might aswell be 100
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: *bravo*
];B[em];W[dn]
;B[sr]C[sykta: there's the ing cup in april
Vino [5k\]: Sedol is gunna smash AlphaGo
Raein [?\]: Ah, thx
];W[fk]
;B[ss]C[alphagirl [2k?\]: good
];W[ag];B[ed]
;W[ej]C[LePoireau [7k\]: chinese rule?
];B[kp];W[gm];B[gl];W[kn];B[ai];W[de]
;B[gd]C[Vino [5k\]: chinese rules?
anton007 [-\]: yes
sum [3d\]: OC
piero: yes
EGFPro1 [-\]: counting now
Hobbes [1k\]: j14!
Raein [?\]: SE says b+7.5
Vino [5k\]: OC? But I learned go from japnese anime, therfore japanese ruels is best
Desperis [2k?\]: Chinese or AGA ?
RobertT [-\]: it only makes sense that they are using AGA rules
Naphthalin [10k?\]: @raein: SE is wrong, not japanese rules here
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: ...chinese rules wow
Raein [?\]: Oh
Raein [?\]: Ok
Naphthalin [10k?\]: and @desperis: AGA and chinese give same result
xiaorulai4 [4k\]: ikr
Welvang [6d\]: gg artem
ergerh: is Artem now a new pro?
Seimeitaek [1k?\]: not big fifference
Vino [5k\]: yes
Naphthalin [10k?\]: artem for pro!
bert [?\]: chinese rule, watch your grammer
RobertT [-\]: suprise twist w+2.5
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