(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[7.00]TM[1800]OT[10/300 Canadian]
PW[cheater]PB[kbag]WR[7d]DT[2013-06-02]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+7.00]
;B[pd]BL[1797.625]C[cheater [7d\]: have a nice game
]
;W[dp]WL[1788.864]C[kbag [-\]: hi
kbag [-\]: have a good game
]
;B[pq]BL[1784.207]
;W[dd]WL[1769.458]
;B[fq]BL[1779.991]
;W[hq]WL[1746.988]C[hobajons [-\]: go bags
iwin [2k\]: ^
]
;B[cq]BL[1762.745]
;W[dq]WL[1742.085]
;B[cp]BL[1761.314]
;W[do]WL[1735.565]
;B[dr]BL[1760.366]
;W[er]WL[1733.735]C[Utraman1k [-\]: gogo baggie :D
]
;B[cr]BL[1755.066]
;W[eq]WL[1732.807]
;B[cn]BL[1752.368]
;W[qo]WL[1727.602]C[Turnipsi [1d\]: n3
DariusA [4d?\]: who is kbag ? 
kadenz: tdog brother
DariusA [4d?\]: is that a special game for some event ?
]
;B[ql]BL[1676.414]
;W[mq]WL[1687.875]C[DonValley [-\]: this is the Transatlantic Youth Go Friendship between Europe and North America
]
;B[po]BL[1646.69]C[DariusA [4d?\]: i see   tx
]
;W[pp]WL[1649.371]
;B[op]BL[1635.595]
;W[qp]WL[1644.349]C[Liso66 [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/2013/05/transatlantic-youth-match-sunday-june-2/
Rukis [2k\]: go kbag! :D
]
;B[qq]BL[1562.054]
;W[rq]WL[1598.72]
;B[rr]BL[1539.024]
;W[oq]WL[1568.737]C[ThunderGod [6d\]: Already dont like black here
]
;B[oo]BL[1451.993]C[iwin [2k\]: b p5?
iwin [2k\]: yea
]
;W[rp]WL[1538.079]
;B[or]BL[1446.802]
;W[nq]WL[1529.89]
;B[qn]BL[1434.006]
;W[rn]WL[1526.684]
;B[rm]BL[1432.158]C[hobajons [-\]: kokokokko
]
;W[sr]WL[1514.631]
;B[qr]BL[1396.198]
;W[pn]WL[1489.328]
;B[qm]BL[1393.317]
;W[ps]WL[1474.35]C[Banaan [1k\]: ko would be silly, right
]
;B[sq]BL[1342.368]C[Banaan [1k\]: w has threats
]
;W[sp]WL[1458.388]C[hobajons [-\]: ko only thing
]
;B[rs]BL[1310.361]C[hobajons [-\]: jk
hobajons [-\]: seki
hobajons [-\]: but gote for b
fekand4 [1d\]: t6
hobajons [-\]: jk
hobajons [-\]: not gote
hobajons [-\]: no w will o2
Banaan [1k\]: you're quite the kidder!
hobajons [-\]: i am
]
;W[sn]WL[1406.65]C[hobajons [-\]: i played q11 how am i not a kidder
]
;B[on]BL[1292.718]C[hobajons [-\]: good for b
]
;W[nr]WL[1396.755]C[Zickkun [3k\]: cheater is a youth?
]
;B[os]BL[1284.277]C[Banaan [1k\]: his profile says 18
Banaan [1k\]: it doesnt say its his age though
Egad [-\]: maybe its his rank
hobajons [-\]: kbag is a boss
]
;W[qf]WL[1360.038]C[goldtree [3k\]: I think he is 17
Koons [1d\]: yeah, but is this okay for black?
Banaan [1k\]: so is cheater!
whuang [2d\]: yup
hobajons [-\]: no
hobajons [-\]: b is 16
hobajons [-\]: my bud
NominRamen [10k?\]: pavol lisy is is name. you can google.
slownet [-\]: gold , he is 18
]
;B[qh]BL[1240.523]C[Banaan [1k\]: hurray
]
;W[qc]WL[1334.535]C[Banaan [1k\]: so we decyphered the cryptic message in his profile
]
;B[qd]BL[1235.064]
;W[pc]WL[1333.29]
;B[od]BL[1233.519]
;W[rd]WL[1332.636]
;B[re]BL[1232.305]
;W[rc]WL[1331.956]C[NominRamen [10k?\]: very complex
]
;B[qe]BL[1231.306]
;W[nc]WL[1330.499]C[Koons [1d\]: just seki in lower right, right?
renjisdfr [7d?\]: yes
]
;B[me]BL[1173.98]C[Koons [1d\]: only took me 5 mins to figure out, sigh
Banaan [1k\]: and he's from Slovakia right?
Banaan [1k\]: mr Lisy
]
;W[mn]WL[1310.727]C[Koons [1d\]: think w chose the better direction there
NominRamen [10k?\]: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pavol+lisy 
Banaan [1k\]: lol
Trevors [6k\]: lol i still dont see it.  all i see is blk can give up p2 stones  to capture s4 group
]
;B[kn]BL[1086.251]
;W[ln]WL[1273.363]C[Animiral [1k\]: that group has an eye and ko to approach, he will never capture it
hobajons [-\]: its eye vs no eye
hobajons [-\]: if he give up p2
hobajons [-\]: so it is a seki
Koons [1d\]: Trevors, black can never get to t3
hobajons [-\]: i like b
Koons [1d\]: he won't have the liberties to allow it
]
;B[ko]BL[975.512]
;W[km]WL[1265.761]
;B[jm]BL[958.922]
;W[jl]WL[1243.41]C[Mendieta [8k\]: is bottom right side seki?
Trevors [6k\]: still dont see it lol 
Trevors [6k\]: i always get ko 
Banaan [1k\]: they just typed it out!
]
;B[mo]BL[785.635]C[hobajons [-\]: ya
hobajons [-\]: seki
Koons [1d\]: Trevors, as white are you letting black capture the t6 stones? if so, white won't do that
]
;W[lo]WL[1095.433]C[Trevors [6k\]: i read if blk t7 first. white can either t5 or o1...... 
]
;B[lp]BL[775.032]
;W[mp]WL[1092.833]
;B[lm]BL[767.519]C[Koons [1d\]: ok, not t5 :)
Trevors [6k\]: ok. white o1  blk t5
iwin [2k\]: yes if b t7 w o1
Trevors [6k\]: white s5
hobajons [-\]: b will connect o5 
hobajons [-\]: and win
]
;W[mm]WL[1054.599]C[hobajons [-\]: oh
hobajons [-\]: hahaha
hobajons [-\]: gg
]
;B[kl]BL[749.306]
;W[ll]WL[1052.938]
;B[kq]BL[734.916]C[Koons [1d\]: Trevors dupe the board and try it
]
;W[no]WL[1043.654]C[Koons [1d\]: black can't get to t3
]
;B[km]BL[731.518]C[iwin [2k\]: nice bag
Trevors [6k\]: lol i did.  XD
hobajons [-\]: it is gg
]
;W[om]WL[1026.688]
;B[pm]BL[722.488]
;W[lk]WL[1016.787]C[Koons [1d\]: geez, how did this shape happen?  :)
]
;B[kk]BL[706.216]
;W[ol]WL[1002.466]C[meuns [1d\]: random moves
]
;B[qj]BL[652.478]C[Koons [1d\]: feels like w got hustled?
Saeusaeu: Why kbag no dan ?
]
;W[em]WL[992.123]C[iwin [2k\]: too weak
TheGame [2k\]: xd
Saeusaeu: nioukomer ?
Trevors [6k\]: ok . so i found seki... and again its only if blk doesnt sacrifice p2 stones  if he does its ko
Koons [1d\]: , he can't sacrifice p2 stones
]
;B[lj]BL[589.624]C[Koons [1d\]: no ko there
jakontin [1k\]: there is a ko
jakontin [1k\]: if he gives up P2
]
;W[mj]WL[974.779]
;B[mi]BL[582.007]C[Saeusaeu: B dozen seem to be 2 weak
]
;W[nj]WL[972.579]C[inflame [7k\]: north america is leading 6-0 already, am i right?
TheGame [2k\]: b is close to pro
Jermelle [5k?\]: yay usa
mon0010 [7k\]: go usa
bowei2013 [3k\]: black is stronger
]
;B[mc]BL[528.788]C[hobajons [-\]: w is getting owned
]
;W[cm]WL[967.88]C[mon0010 [7k\]: hes beaten a 7p
Saeusaeu: So kbag kould bekome 8d ?
hobajons [-\]: kbag is 8d already
meuns [1d\]: he already is...
Trevors [6k\]: ill just type how i see it.......  t7,01,t5,s5,t1, q2, t3..
Liso66 [?\]: this is rematch from last year
Sasha0529 [1d\]: b doesn't have rank
mon0010 [7k\]: wut
hobajons [-\]: ya
Koons [1d\]: you are right Trevors
mon0010 [7k\]: this is a rematch?
hobajons [-\]: but he beat keghin
hobajons [-\]: a few months ago
]
;B[dn]BL[466.667]C[Koons [1d\]: b is stong
Liso66 [?\]: last year amrica won 8:2
Lsugyen [5d\]: yes
]
;W[en]WL[960.017]C[Lsugyen [5d\]: Who is cheater?
Jermelle [5k?\]: lsu hi
TheGame [2k\]: pavol lisy
fujiyama [7k\]: how old are they both?
Lsugyen [5d\]: kbag is 16
]
;B[co]BL[443.036]C[Lsugyen [5d\]: Who is cheater?
Saeusaeu: 16d ?
fujiyama [7k\]: ok
TheGame [2k\]: Pavol Lisy :D
Lsugyen [5d\]: okay
Lsugyen [5d\]: Pavol Lisy
Sasha0529 [1d\]: where i b from? Russia?
Saeusaeu: Pavil Lisy
Lsugyen [5d\]: European captain
sume [7d?\]: Bags just gonna bag and tag the cheater
Lsugyen [5d\]: b is from US!!!
Lsugyen [5d\]: Calvin Sun
Sasha0529 [1d\]: who i calvin sun?
iwin [2k\]: kbag
]
;W[nd]WL[894.511]
;B[ne]BL[440.472]
;W[oc]WL[886.449]C[hobajons [-\]: this mimic
hobajons [-\]: op
Saeusaeu: this is not KMartbag, This is kbag
]
;B[dm]BL[427.991]
;W[dl]WL[881.059]
;B[el]BL[423.021]
;W[dk]WL[876.966]C[hobajons [-\]: w is in trouble
]
;B[fl]BL[415.198]C[Lsugyen [5d\]: yes
Lsugyen [5d\]: I like black better
]
;W[jp]WL[859.78]C[SIscurge [5d\]: I think its bad for w but he handled the crisis well. It could have all fallen apart
]
;B[kp]BL[400.352]C[TheGame [2k\]: yep that double hane by w was overplay probably in the middle
Saeusaeu: B is Pavil Lisy ?
Jermelle [5k?\]: J4
]
;W[fo]WL[831.046]C[Sasha0529 [1d\]: is b a pro?
meuns [1d\]: no...
mon0010 [7k\]: hes beaten a 7p
mon0010 [7k\]: so
Saeusaeu: no no
Sunchips [1k\]: 8d
]
;B[di]BL[362.42]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: I've beaten a 1p before
LonelyD [3k\]: b is don't Pavil
Jermelle [5k?\]: With 4 stones
]
;W[ei]WL[815.618]C[mon0010 [7k\]: 1p is better than a 9d right?
Sunchips [1k\]: was he a retired 1p?
Sunchips [1k\]: o-O
TheGame [2k\]: not really
mon0010 [7k\]: 1p is a pro dan
mon0010 [7k\]: so
mon0010 [7k\]: ..
wargly [-\]: did you also have a slingshot?
TheGame [2k\]: an 8d could be a pro i think
yinon [8k\]: who`s corner is lower right?
iwin [2k\]: seki
Sunchips [1k\]: seki?
Jermelle [5k?\]: He was not retired
Saeusaeu: seki
Sasha0529 [1d\]: live 1p better than retired 9p
Jermelle [5k?\]: He came in from china
]
;B[eh]BL[305.474]C[ricedragon [1d\]: name?
Jermelle [5k?\]: Ask my Go club
]
;W[ej]WL[795.203]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: Woodland hills
Jermelle [5k?\]: It was hong something
]
;B[cf]BL[272.078]
;W[bm]WL[785.02]C[Saeusaeu: Hong ? Clearly from Estados Unidos de America.
Jermelle [5k?\]: O.o
]
;B[bi]BL[220.048]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: But it was a reverse komi of 20
Jermelle [5k?\]: So that's why I won
Koons [1d\]: Jermelle, really let it go
Saeusaeu: they both seem tou bi better than mi
miao [6d\]: seems i am too weak for this event
miao [6d\]: never get asked
]
;W[fh]WL[736.527]C[Lsugyen [5d\]: Jermelle
Koons [1d\]: sorry miao
]
;B[eg]BL[214.827]C[Sunchips [1k\]: hahaha
Lsugyen [5d\]: you're 6k
]
;W[fd]WL[711.681]
;B[bd]BL[208.899]C[vegmandu [3d\]: How old are you Miao?
HappyLook [5d\]: only if u was good on european youth stage, miao
]
;W[ao]WL[701.885]C[Saeusaeu: A5 klearly agressive
]
;B[ap]BL[184.085]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: Lsugyen, I know that >>>
]
;W[an]WL[697.644]
;B[bk]BL[152.064]C[Mendieta [8k\]: hello. why was komi set to allow for a tie?
odnihs [-\]: new zealand rules
meuns [1d\]: no tie
]
;W[ck]WL[668.021]C[odnihs [-\]: /ing rules
odnihs [-\]: i think black wins jigo?
odnihs [-\]: no wait w does
Saeusaeu: burkina Faso rules
meuns [1d\]: where is burkina ?
Jermelle [5k?\]: Oh No komi? I gotta start using that
inflame [7k\]: komi is 7
]
;B[bp]BL[102.233]C[iwin [2k\]: would b8 have been bad or something
Sasha0529 [1d\]: is b a retired pro from america?
Saeusaeu: A2 correct ?¸
Jermelle [5k?\]: B is not a pro
Jermelle [5k?\]: He is an 8d
]
;W[gl]WL[624.473]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: I'm shocked he didn't take the pro exam
drunk1d [2d?\]: retired 8d?
Jermelle [5k?\]: Average 8d
inflame [7k\]: and surely not retired this is a youth tournament
Saeusaeu: retarded 8d ?
Jermelle [5k?\]: XD
horowitz [1d?\]: B is a pro
meuns [1d\]: boring guest
Jermelle [5k?\]: He is a not a pro for the last time
yinon [8k\]: i am retarded 8k
ricedragon [1d\]: b is nukes and daggers king
horowitz [1d?\]: He is a pro Jermelle
GetStrong [2d\]: B Bag
Jermelle [5k?\]: How do you know?
horowitz [1d?\]: haha ABag
ricedragon [1d\]: horowitz knows
horowitz [1d?\]: i know the way
Nosabe [-\]: b is 54 year old retired pro from chinatown
meuns [1d\]: ...
horowitz [1d?\]: \\o/
Koons [1d\]: on the internet nobody knows you're a dog
horowitz [1d?\]: kbag is the first dog pro
Nosabe [-\]: he won every tournament, now he lives on a sloop
Jermelle [5k?\]: WAIT
Jermelle [5k?\]: Kbag lives near me :D
Sasha0529 [1d\]: someone said b is 16 years old boy
iwin [2k\]: you should stalk him
Jermelle [5k?\]: I know where i'm going this weekend
Jermelle [5k?\]: He lives in orange county, near my Go club
Sunchips [1k\]: O_____O
]
;B[kj]BL[240.448]OB[9]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: And I checked his rating, he is an 8d
]
;W[gk]WL[572.52]
;B[ni]BL[237.876]OB[8]C[RawDog [1d\]: look at his game history
]
;W[oj]WL[555.263]C[RawDog [1d\]: no faking that
]
;B[cc]BL[223.514]OB[7]C[hobajons [-\]: he is 16
hobajons [-\]: calvin sun
meuns [1d\]: b+ ?
hobajons [-\]: go search him up
Saeusaeu: meuns clearly retarded 1d
Jermelle [5k?\]: And he is 8d
]
;W[ic]WL[523.576]C[meuns [1d\]: boring guest
]
;B[eb]BL[199.432]OB[6]
;W[md]WL[520.58]
;B[ld]BL[192.729]OB[5]
;W[lc]WL[519.396]
;B[kc]BL[190.258]OB[4]
;W[mb]WL[518.787]C[Trevors [6k\]: ok ....... so again iv cloned the game and have another looking at it too bottom right is both seki or K.O depending on how blk plays..... so if anyone would like to show exactly how its only seki please come
Nosabe [-\]: b is world war two veteran
odnihs [-\]: b can make a ko but it's not a good one
Koons [1d\]: i already told you, you were right Trevors
Koons [1d\]: well done
]
;B[kd]BL[149.122]OB[3]C[pururun [3k\]: hmmm most definitely seki
]
;W[kb]WL[511.26]
;B[oi]BL[146.764]OB[2]C[Saeusaeu: B dead and reincarnate
Trevors [6k\]: oh, srry lol i was probly afk.  studying it over and over again. 
Trevors [6k\]: :D 
Trevors [6k\]: thanks koons
Koons [1d\]: :)
meuns [1d\]: won game
yuzo [4k\]: lol, look at se
]
;W[je]WL[452.953]C[meuns [1d\]: never
yuzo [4k\]: it cant handle it
Backflash [-\]: hm, kyu in the bag?
Jermelle [5k?\]: XD
]
;B[fg]BL[117.494]OB[1]C[Mendieta [8k\]: a2 kills b?
hobajons [-\]: no
Backflash [-\]: how?
Backflash [-\]: read more than one seq
SIscurge [5d\]: b played rly solid. hard to find a come back place
meuns [1d\]: 8k can't read a lot of moves
fakeyou [-\]: seki alive anyway
RawDog [1d\]: yea
]
;W[kf]WL[395.365]C[RawDog [1d\]: w gonna have a hard time
]
;B[lf]BL[300]OB[10]C[Rukis [2k\]: hmm
Backflash [-\]: meuns, i can read whole 3!
Rukis [2k\]: b has this in the k-bag :D
]
;W[fc]WL[372.062]
;B[fb]BL[295.927]OB[9]C[selahaddin [8k\]: how old are they?
]
;W[gb]WL[370.803]C[Rukis [2k\]: old enough
Koons [1d\]: all endgame now
]
;B[ho]BL[282.617]OB[8]C[Sasha0529 [1d\]: guys, is b a 54 old man or a teenager?
Koons [1d\]: fun parts are done
Rukis [2k\]: teenager
Backflash [-\]: yose is a fun part!
meuns [1d\]: dog years
Nosabe [-\]: this is a youth tournament
]
;W[go]WL[335.04]C[Rukis [2k\]: ^
]
;B[hn]BL[268.922]OB[7]
;W[gn]WL[333.658]C[Backflash [-\]: cheater is young i think, less than 25 if even 20
]
;B[hp]BL[264.162]OB[6]C[inflame [7k\]: they're under 18 i think
selahaddin [8k\]: rukis, get some help.
]
;W[gq]WL[303.314]
;B[iq]BL[257.616]OB[5]C[meuns [1d\]: painful
hobajons [-\]: does he play like a 54 yr old man?
GetStrong [2d\]: ..what?
hobajons [-\]: nope
Backflash [-\]: oh riiight, now i see name of the game room
]
;W[cd]WL[288.892]C[RawDog [1d\]: b keeps pulling away too
Nosabe [-\]: what ? speak up !
RawDog [1d\]: not really getting closer
Nosabe [-\]: w in trouble now
Backflash [-\]: komi equally 7, oh wow
]
;B[be]BL[209.659]OB[4]C[Rukis [2k\]: Why would i need help selahaddin?
]
;W[db]WL[282.481]C[fakeyou [-\]: JIGO
]
;B[dc]BL[207.566]OB[3]C[fakeyou [-\]: SE:)
]
;W[ec]WL[281.413]
;B[cb]BL[205.604]OB[2]C[fakeyou [-\]: move 152
fakeyou [-\]: 151*
Rukis [2k\]: lol
Backflash [-\]: i'd like to see that, but no way
]
;W[ns]WL[263.499]
;B[pr]BL[199.199]OB[1]
;W[sm]WL[248.363]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: SE is only good for endgame
]
;B[rk]BL[300]OB[10]C[Backflash [-\]: who is kbag anyway?
]
;W[sl]WL[241.272]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: Calin sun 8d
]
;B[sk]BL[294.13]OB[9]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: *calvin*
Backflash [-\]: ehhh...no wonder then
RawDog [1d\]: yea
RawDog [1d\]: such solid play
]
;W[se]WL[203.482]
;B[sf]BL[292.072]OB[8]
;W[sd]WL[202.881]
;B[rf]BL[291.411]OB[7]C[odnihs [-\]: calvin sucks
hobajons [-\]: lol
Koons [1d\]: says calvin
odnihs [-\]: ^^
selahaddin [8k\]: because you think you are funny and you need to talk to someone shows truth.
hobajons [-\]: wut
antiriad [?\]: b+15?
Nosabe [-\]: he's so good the other pro's won't play him even
DonValley [-\]: lol
]
;W[lr]WL[127.342]
;B[gp]BL[285.519]OB[6]C[Sasha0529 [1d\]: those are retired pros
]
;W[fp]WL[123.874]C[Trevors [6k\]: v.v well bottom right is deff seki now. 
]
;B[bl]BL[253.153]OB[5]C[GetStrong [2d\]: haha
]
;W[cl]WL[118.867]C[Koons [1d\]: Trevors, i love your obsession, man
Trevors [6k\]: LOL 
GetStrong [2d\]: xD
]
;B[ir]BL[242.474]OB[4]
;W[cj]WL[113.387]C[Sasha0529 [1d\]: what if live pros from china, japan and korea, easily beat him, lol
]
;B[bj]BL[236.995]OB[3]
;W[ci]WL[111.837]C[Trevors [6k\]: well would have been cool to see it get killed
]
;B[ch]BL[231.968]OB[2]C[Backflash [-\]: why is "if" in your sentence Sasha?
]
;W[gf]WL[60.954]C[Nosabe [-\]: b once played go with James Bond
]
;B[ee]BL[214.779]OB[1]
;W[ed]WL[53.697]
;B[gg]BL[300]OB[10]
;W[hf]WL[51.543]C[Trevors [6k\]: l13 the next big move?
Sasha0529 [1d\]: i meant, those active pro plays could beat b easily
horowitz [1d?\]: nop
horowitz [1d?\]: b is a pro
horowitz [1d?\]: he can handle
miao [6d\]: b is not strong
]
;B[kg]BL[279.406]OB[9]
;W[jg]WL[49.531]C[Trevors [6k\]: WHOOOOOOOOOP
miao [6d\]: b is pro?
]
;B[jh]BL[274.676]OB[8]C[Sasha0529 [1d\]: of course from eastern asian counties
Koons [1d\]: no miao
]
;W[ih]WL[39.987]C[Backflash [-\]: b s 8d they say
miao [6d\]: hm
hobajons [-\]: ya
Nosabe [-\]: b invented bamboo joint
hobajons [-\]: could give u 2
]
;B[ji]BL[263.109]OB[7]C[iwin [2k\]: miao beat b any day
]
;W[hg]WL[36.042]C[hobajons [-\]: and iwn
miao [6d\]: lol
]
;B[jc]BL[257.134]OB[6]C[hobajons [-\]: ;D
odnihs [-\]: b weak
]
;W[jb]WL[31.902]C[odnihs [-\]: still bronze IV
]
;B[fe]BL[254.92]OB[5]C[hobajons [-\]: lol
]
;W[ge]WL[29.824]C[miao [6d\]: interesting
hobajons [-\]: weak pro
hobajons [-\]: ya
miao [6d\]: but i am not afraif
hobajons [-\]: bronze 4
miao [6d\]: *afraid
hobajons [-\]: what a nub
horowitz [1d?\]: what
fakeyou [-\]: b was 7~8d on kgs
Sasha0529 [1d\]: miao, is b stronger than u?
fakeyou [-\]: 3 year ago
horowitz [1d?\]: how do you know
]
;B[gr]BL[211.39]OB[4]C[Backflash [-\]: cheater is stronger than miao, so..
fakeyou [-\]: kghin beat b all the time
]
;W[fr]WL[25.42]
;B[hr]BL[206.273]OB[3]
;W[kr]WL[21.379]C[odnihs [-\]: no he didn't
]
;B[pj]BL[195.683]OB[2]
;W[pk]WL[14.978]
;B[hm]BL[179.777]OB[1]
;W[jr]WL[11.285]
;B[jq]BL[300]OB[10]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: black wins :)
]
;W[ik]WL[4.165]C[Backflash [-\]: you think?
Wagaboo [2k\]: no
]
;B[gh]BL[291.105]OB[9]C[horowitz [1d?\]: wat
Wagaboo [2k\]: white cheated :p
horowitz [1d?\]: obviously
Backflash [-\]: obviously
]
;W[qk]WL[291.075]OW[9]C[Backflash [-\]: eh..
]
;B[rl]BL[288.323]OB[8]C[Nosabe [-\]: w in trouble
Wagaboo [2k\]: :D
fakeyou [-\]: NZ rules
Wagaboo [2k\]: that was a joke
Jermelle [5k?\]: Go Kbag
fakeyou [-\]: dont forget
]
;W[fi]WL[280.458]OW[8]C[horowitz [1d?\]: lol
Catlemur [4k\]: Go cheater!
Backflash [-\]: kinds seki happend there
]
;B[gm]BL[264.106]OB[7]C[horowitz [1d?\]: cheaters never win
StepbyStep [4d\]: i count black 60 points and white 51 with komi
Backflash [-\]: 6k wins yet again
]
;W[fm]WL[275.926]OW[7]C[fakeyou [-\]: StepbyStep you wrong
fakeyou [-\]: 160 for b and 155 for w
horowitz [1d?\]: nz rules
StepbyStep [4d\]: oh
]
;B[ds]BL[217.293]OB[6]C[whuang [3d\]: In New Zealand Rules, you can suicide..
fakeyou [-\]: d1 huge
]
;W[br]WL[265.618]OW[6]C[Backflash [-\]: no-no, "ru-le-z!" - that is correct way of spelling it
]
;B[ar]BL[198.506]OB[5]
;W[bs]WL[256.6]OW[5]C[iwin [2k\]: what's the point of b2
Jermelle [5k?\]: Nice try for W
]
;B[bq]BL[194.516]OB[4]C[whuang [3d\]: No
odnihs [-\]: semedori
]
;W[nn]WL[249.642]OW[4]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: i estimated w +15
whuang [3d\]: B2 is worth endgame points
Lsugyen [5d\]: Bill won
Wagaboo [2k\]: hu ?
]
;B[gj]BL[179.796]OB[3]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: botom left ?!!
fakeyou [-\]: nice try wagaboo
whuang [3d\]: Billin
iwin [2k\]: ah ok
Wagaboo [2k\]: i thought dead
meuns [1d\]: w+15 is a joke
Wagaboo [2k\]: XD
horowitz [1d?\]: lol
Jermelle [5k?\]: 13 sounds right..
]
;W[hj]WL[230.82]OW[3]C[whuang [3d\]: ..
whuang [3d\]: B+
Jermelle [5k?\]: Ik chill out
Jermelle [5k?\]: I was joking
meuns [1d\]: se sucks dudes
]
;B[gi]BL[163.273]OB[2]C[kmlck [2k\]: is there a draw with 7 komi?
Jermelle [5k?\]: I never trust SE O.O
Backflash [-\]: meuns, blasphemy!
horowitz [1d?\]: SE too op
]
;W[rj]WL[208.726]OW[2]C[Koons [1d\]: SE can't score scoring systems other than japanese i think
]
;B[ri]BL[159.593]OB[1]
;W[pl]WL[207.45]OW[1]C[whuang [3d\]: Somebody give poor SE a hug
]
;B[sj]BL[300]OB[10]C[iwin [2k\]: se bronze 5
horowitz [1d?\]: lol
]
;W[il]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[hl]BL[295.168]OB[9]
;W[hk]WL[298.03]OW[9]
;B[fj]BL[292.163]OB[8]C[nabillallo [3d\]: whats is bronze 5?
]
;W[fk]WL[295.847]OW[8]C[boopdeboop [?\]: yes, i count a draw with 6 komi
horowitz [1d?\]: nuthin
]
;B[fa]BL[277.183]OB[7]
;W[da]WL[291.822]OW[7]C[Backflash [-\]: komi is 7 though
Sasha0529 [1d\]: w +15 is big joke
]
;B[ca]BL[271.036]OB[6]
;W[ga]WL[290.824]OW[6]
;B[ea]BL[269.422]OB[5]
;W[jd]WL[289.836]OW[5]
;B[le]BL[262.078]OB[4]
;W[im]WL[287.848]OW[4]C[kmlck [2k\]: wow d19 was cool
]
;B[in]BL[256.894]OB[3]
;W[de]WL[286.919]OW[3]
;B[df]BL[254.849]OB[2]C[odnihs [-\]: b+4 or so i believe
]
;W[ff]WL[285.643]OW[2]
;B[ef]BL[253.928]OB[1]C[boopdeboop [?\]: well I'm certainly not accurate to a single point :)
horowitz [1d?\]: no one is
]
;W[fq]WL[273.998]OW[1]C[boopdeboop [?\]: but anyway, it's close
]
;B[ke]BL[300]OB[10]
;W[jf]WL[300]OW[10]C[whuang [3d\]: D19 was because black could have suicided those top four stones..
fakeyou [-\]: k1 very big
Jermelle [5k?\]: Here comes the game of reduce..
]
;B[ii]BL[283.196]OB[9]C[whuang [3d\]: Suicide is uch a thing in NZ ruls
]
;W[hh]WL[293.805]OW[9]
;B[js]BL[279.787]OB[8]C[horowitz [1d?\]: ja
]
;W[ks]WL[290.873]OW[8]C[horowitz [1d?\]: turret dive op
fakeyou [-\]: nice b
Jermelle [5k?\]: Suicide is allowed
]
;B[is]BL[272.239]OB[7]C[Flayy [2k\]: well the estimation things that bottom-right is dead
whuang [3d\]: yeah
Flayy [2k\]: so black is definitely winning
]
;W[al]WL[276.04]OW[7]
;B[ak]BL[269.879]OB[6]
;W[gs]WL[274.46]OW[6]C[whuang [3d\]: wait, wah
odnihs [-\]: it's close
fakeyou [-\]: if suicide allowed that mean b can e9?
horowitz [1d?\]: yea
whuang [3d\]: Bottom right is seki..
]
;B[am]BL[256.508]OB[5]C[fakeyou [-\]: no way
]
;W[si]WL[269.235]OW[5]
;B[sh]BL[253.787]OB[4]
;W[al]WL[267.897]OW[4]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: black winning joke is now not a joke XD
Flayy [2k\]: Yes, I know, but ES things it's dead, that's why it's so inaccurate
]
;B[gc]BL[246.441]OB[3]
;W[gd]WL[265.921]OW[3]C[whuang [3d\]: it's true, fakeyou
GetStrong [2d\]: you can use it as threat in some situations :p
]
;B[am]BL[242.348]OB[2]
;W[bh]WL[265.308]OW[2]
;B[bg]BL[240.185]OB[1]
;W[al]WL[263.483]OW[1]
;B[hi]BL[300]OB[10]C[Trevors [6k\]: q6!
whuang [3d\]: Suicide is optional in NZ rules
fakeyou [-\]: lol
fakeyou [-\]: b can e9 :D
whuang [3d\]: Can count as ko threat
kmlck [2k\]: e9 is not a threat
odnihs [-\]: b+2.5?
Sasha0529 [1d\]: b win 1.5 points
odnihs [-\]: or 2
Lsugyen [5d\]: b+
fakeyou [-\]: yes but it's fun
]
;W[am]WL[300]OW[10]C[Jermelle [5k?\]: Black wins by 3
kmlck [2k\]: lol
Backflash [-\]: please stop estimating
boopdeboop [?\]: flayy, SE is wrong on non-japanese rulesets even if it gets l&d right
]
;B[dh]BL[293.176]OB[9]C[Lsugyen [5d\]: I think  b wins by more
whuang [3d\]: kmlck, in NZ Rules there is a possibility of suiciding,
Nosabe [-\]: w is good player
fakeyou [-\]: no
Jermelle [5k?\]: More then 3?
Lsugyen [5d\]: yeah
]
;W[ij]WL[288.081]OW[9]C[fakeyou [-\]: SE is ok now
whuang [3d\]: and it may count as aa ko threat
horowitz [1d?\]: only is NZ you can suicide
fakeyou [-\]: but SE count r2
horowitz [1d?\]: in*
]
;B[cs]BL[287.859]OB[8]C[Backflash [-\]: nz ruls, who gets them anyway?
]
;W[fs]WL[283.983]OW[8]C[Nosabe [-\]: but no match for our pro
horowitz [1d?\]: NZers
]
;B[as]BL[285.828]OB[7]
;W[np]WL[282.527]OW[7]
;B[pn]BL[284.098]OB[6]C[Wagaboo [2k\]: lol my black +15 was accurate
]
;W[lq]WL[281.277]OW[6]C[horowitz [1d?\]: kbag pro
Lsugyen [5d\]: ING
]
;B[jj]BL[281.475]OB[5]C[Sasha0529 [1d\]: no more, 1.5 approximate
]
;W[ek]WL[279.93]OW[5]C[whuang [3d\]: No duh
]
;B[jk]BL[279.085]OB[4]
;W[dj]WL[277.56]OW[4]
;B[hs]BL[276.89]OB[3]
;W[ce]WL[275.646]OW[3]
;B[bn]BL[274.72]OB[2]
;W[bo]WL[273.959]OW[2]
;B[es]BL[271.192]OB[1]
;W[sq]WL[271.217]OW[1]C[Sasha0529 [1d\]: now more
]
;B[ro]BL[300]OB[10]C[Rukis [2k\]: i dont get c1 :< someone fill me in
]
;W[so]WL[300]OW[10]
;B[qs]BL[295.772]OB[9]
;W[]WL[299.946]OW[9]C[horowitz [1d?\]: Pro move
]
;B[]BL[295.718]OB[8]TW[ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][hb][ib][lb][nb][ob][pb][qb][rb][sb][gc][hc][mc][sc][hd][id][he][ie][if][ig][mk][nk][ok][el][fl][ml][nl][nm][fn][eo][mo][ro][ep][mr][ls][ms]TB[aa][ba][da][ab][bb][db][ac][bc][ad][ae][oe][pe][af][bf][mf][nf][of][pf][qf][ag][cg][dg][lg][mg][ng][og][pg][qg][rg][sg][ah][bh][kh][lh][mh][nh][oh][ph][rh][ai][ki][li][pi][qi][si][aj][rj][jn][io][jo][ip][jp][aq][br][bs][ps]C[Sasha0529 [1d\]: win by 5.5
horowitz [1d?\]: no one gets
Backflash [-\]: see? seki is useful kids
odnihs [-\]: wow we were way off
horowitz [1d?\]: suicide
horowitz [1d?\]: nao
kbag [-\]: thanks
cheater [7d\]: thx
Rukis [2k\]: no one got the pun >.>
horowitz [1d?\]: lol
kmlck [2k\]: what happens when its a draw?
DonValley [-\]: thanks for playing
DonValley [-\]: good game
horowitz [1d?\]: its a draw
whuang [3d\]: XD
bishini [4k\]: 8 : 0   ???
inflame [7k\]: yes
fakeyou [-\]: why you dont allowed cheats in this game =\\
bishini [4k\]: can strong eu player pls stand up? :)
Nosabe [-\]: now miao's turn
vegmandu [3d\]: What is the record in this match. The 2 games I saw North America won
bishini [4k\]: did I say 8 : 0 ?
vegmandu [3d\]: OH
vegmandu [3d\]: ok
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