(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2020-06-20]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/24840380]
GN[European Professional Online Go League]
PB[Palko]
PW[Crazywind]
BR[27k]
WR[?]
TM[600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+6.5]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Crazywind: hi
Palko: hi
Palko: have a nice game!
Crazywind: you too :)
Avtikh: \[object Object\]
]
;B[pd]
(;W[dd]
(;B[pq]
(;W[dp]
(;B[cq]
(;W[dq]
(;B[cp]
(;W[do]
(;B[bn]
(;W[qo]
(;B[op]
(;W[ql]
(;B[iq]
(;W[qc]
(;B[pc]
(;W[qd]
(;B[qe]
(;W[re]
(;B[rf]
(;W[qf]
(;B[pe]
(;W[rg]
(;B[rd]
(;W[sf]
(;B[rc]
(;W[fc]
(;B[cm]
C[jillgoodgal: fast moves so far
]
(;W[dm]
(;B[dl]
(;W[cn]
(;B[bl]
(;W[el]
(;B[dk]
(;W[fm]
(;B[og]
(;W[lp]
(;B[io]
(;W[jp]
(;B[ip]
(;W[ln]
(;B[pn]
(;W[qn]
(;B[pm]
(;W[pl]
(;B[ol]
(;W[ok]
(;B[nl]
(;W[im]
(;B[lr]
(;W[nn]
(;B[on]
(;W[mr]
(;B[mq]
(;W[lq]
(;B[kr]
(;W[nq]
(;B[mp]
(;W[np]
(;B[mo]
(;W[no]
(;B[nr]
(;W[ms]
(;B[ns]
(;W[or]
(;B[ls]
(;W[oq]
(;B[pp]
(;W[mr]
(;B[fq]
(;W[pj]
(;B[ll]
(;W[km]
(;B[nj]
(;W[kl]
(;B[rp]
(;W[qb]
(;B[rb]
(;W[ce]
(;B[jc]
(;W[kd]
(;B[jd]
(;W[kf]
C[jillgoodgal: Pavol likes to surround
]
(;B[ld]
(;W[ch]
(;B[qm]
(;W[rm]
(;B[rl]
(;W[rk]
(;B[qh]
C[alcatee: Yeah
cucumber: green username = confirmed pro player account?
jillgoodgal: yes
Stroomiala: yes
]
(;W[qi]
C[cucumber: ok ty
alcatee: yes
]
(;B[rn]
(;W[sl]
(;B[ro]
(;W[cr]
(;B[br]
(;W[er]
(;B[fr]
(;W[bs]
(;B[bq]
(;W[le]
(;B[kc]
(;W[md]
(;B[ke]
(;W[mf]
(;B[ne]
(;W[lc]
C[jillgoodgal: AI has black ahead here
]
(;B[lb]
(;W[kd]
(;B[je]
(;W[mb]
(;B[ld]
(;W[me]
(;B[mc]
(;W[nc]
(;B[lg]
(;W[lc]
C[alcatee: yes
]
(;B[cc]
C[jillgoodgal: corner
Decros: \[object Object\]
Hupsty: Tenuki or ko move here?
]
(;W[dc]
(;B[mc]
C[vergilam: ko
]
(;W[lf]
C[jillgoodgal: wedge shape
]
(;B[jh]
(;W[lc]
(;B[be]
(;W[bf]
(;B[mc]
(;W[kh]
(;B[ji]
(;W[lc]
(;B[bd]
(;W[db]
(;B[mc]
C[alcatee: yeah that' right
]
(;W[mh]
(;B[rh]
(;W[lc]
C[veikko: N1 a threat
]
(;B[ri]
(;W[ig]
(;B[jg]
(;W[jf]
(;B[if]
C[kakangel: n1 bad threat
]
(;W[hf]
(;B[ie]
C[vergilam: you mean P1? black is probably alive anyway, maybe could give up the 5 stones
]
(;W[ph]
C[OrenGold: Such a big ko
]
(;B[oi]
(;W[pi]
C[jillgoodgal: Pavol goes for bigger things than four stones
]
(;B[oh]
(;W[pf]
(;B[of]
(;W[ob]
(;B[pb]
(;W[kg]
(;B[hg]
(;W[kd]
(;B[gl]
(;W[hn]
(;B[ld]
(;W[mc]
(;B[cb]
(;W[ae]
(;B[cf]
(;W[bg]
(;B[df]
(;W[gg]
(;B[ff]
(;W[hh]
(;B[he]
(;W[hj]
(;B[bb]
(;W[ac]
(;B[ad]
(;W[ca]
(;B[ba]
(;W[ab]
(;B[da]
(;W[eb]
(;B[gb]
(;W[gc]
(;B[hc]
(;W[cd]
(;B[af]
(;W[ag]
(;B[ed]
(;W[fb]
(;B[hb]
(;W[ae]
(;B[bc]
(;W[af]
(;B[gd]
(;W[lj]
C[Hupsty: Is white or black dead?
Shekomaru: Yes
Anthe: :)
jillgoodgal: someone will die there
]
(;B[dh]
C[Anthe: yes, sir!
Hupsty: Lol. Hopefully white gets a lot of forcing moves out of it if it’s him
]
(;W[cj]
C[Adama E.: the corner was already dead but there is still aji
]
(;B[cg]
(;W[bh]
C[kakangel: b dead but it makes w busy to capture this stones later, b gain a bit from this
Hupsty: Oh wow thanks
kakangel: it was W corner btw
]
(;B[dj]
(;W[ea]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: is the e18 group alive?
]
(;B[bi]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: looks like it 
]
(;W[ca]
(;B[pg]
C[FinrodFelagund: step ko
FinrodFelagund: but basically
kakangel: oh c11 is big too
]
(;W[qg]
(;B[da]
(;W[ci]
(;B[bj]
(;W[ca]
(;B[rj]
(;W[qj]
(;B[da]
(;W[gp]
C[broccoli monster: hm I liked the t13 throw-in ko better
jillgoodgal: time hurt Pavol in the finals twice
]
(;B[ck]
(;W[ca]
(;B[aa]
(;W[ac]
(;B[da]
(;W[pa]
(;B[di]
(;W[qa]
C[kakangel: omg
]
(;B[ra]
C[Shekomaru: wow
]
(;W[oa]
C[Hupsty: I hate kos wow..
]
(;B[mj]
(;W[jq]
(;B[jr]
(;W[gq]
C[jillgoodgal: wow that top right was brilliant by black
jimlee23333: now he goes for it
jimlee23333: why don't he use the bottom black as kos?
]
(;B[gr]
(;W[nm]
(;B[om]
(;W[hq]
C[kakangel: good question
]
(;B[hr]
(;W[fs]
(;B[il]
C[kakangel: only if after g4 its already die?
Adama E.: black die locally ,
]
(;W[gm]
(;B[gs]
(;W[is]
C[kakangel: ok, then is good exchange dor B anyway, because t16 makes another ko
Adama E.: but he won the step ko
kakangel: w loss bigger it looks
]
(;B[li]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: white e18 group looks dead now?
]
(;W[kk]
C[broccoli monster: yea that's dead
jillgoodgal: white has the one extra time period to count
Anthe: left side is completely black
]
(;B[fk]
C[jimlee23333: yes because the c10 group is dead
]
(;W[ik]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: so ... black is well ahead?
Anthe: seems so
]
(;B[jn]
(;W[lo]
C[vergilam: but B is dead on bottom, right?
dnguyen1393: I think white is ahead
]
(;B[hk]
C[Anthe: where?
PStillman: yes, B is dead on the bottom
Anthe: and why?
minipx: bot territory is huge for white
FinrodFelagund: yes
FinrodFelagund: dead on the bottom
kantus: black lives matter :)
minipx: but top left corner is big for black
vergilam: @Anthe B can't make two eyes
PStillman: and W is doing very well overall, it seems
metego: too soon man 
vergilam: because W can just keep throwing in
]
(;W[jl]
C[minipx: looks like white has top right too cuz of ko
]
(;B[ki]
(;W[hl]
C[vergilam: N1/2 and J2 aren't eyes for Black
dnguyen1393: Black's potential right now is capped he's reducing white
Anthe: which groups? left is black and almost all rest connects to the bottom right?!
]
(;B[lh]
(;W[mg]
C[dnguyen1393: white also has pretty good endgame
]
(;B[gj]
C[minipx: black looking for another ko?
]
(;W[gk]
C[dnguyen1393: yeah that really means black behind
minipx: or at least black also believes he's behind
]
(;B[sd]
(;W[se]
C[dnguyen1393: At their level i dont question their counting abilities
Shakes Fish At Sky: nice
minipx: for sure
jillgoodgal: tough to count in 30 seconds though as it becomes complicated
]
(;B[ih]
(;W[sb]
(;B[hk]
(;W[ii]
C[dachen11: 157 people here
dachen11: more than in english chat for once
]
(;B[qr]
C[WarrenTang: black GG
Anthe: ryan li (w) however is a tactic monster
]
(;W[co]
C[Fava: T18 so huge
dnguyen1393: yeah but black forced teh kio
dnguyen1393: ko*
dnguyen1393: so ryan got it in
minipx: ^^
]
(;B[bo]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: t15 was the gig move
]
(;W[hg]
C[dnguyen1393: gig?
Shakes Fish At Sky: big
dnguyen1393: it was ko threat
PStillman: probably gg with autocorrect :)
minipx: timing for N11 would be so hard for me to time well
]
(;B[lk]
(;W[nk]
(;B[mk]
(;W[os]
(;B[gi]
(;W[hi]
(;B[kb]
(;W[mi]
(;B[kj]
(;W[jj]
C[G-O: L10 was sente for white? why doesnt he play it?
]
(;B[oj]
(;W[sh]
(;B[pk]
(;W[qk]
(;B[lj]
(;W[fg]
(;B[eg]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: t12 was clever 
breh54: looking back at the game, it's game over since w got the chance to play K3 after the ko, which means Q19 was a real ko threat, but so hard to see it all
]
(;W[qs]
(;B[rs]
(;W[ps]
(;B[rr]
(;W[gk]
C[dnguyen1393: yeah
dnguyen1393: k3 allows the false eye creation and dead shape
dnguyen1393: though how to get there is beyond me
]
(;B[sn]
(;W[sm]
(;B[hk]
(;W[gf]
C[breh54: b probably over overlooked it too
]
(;B[ge]
(;W[gk]
(;B[kq]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: so.... who is winning now?
dnguyen1393: White for sure
]
(;W[kp]
(;B[hk]
C[dnguyen1393: bot is dead 
dnguyen1393: for black
dachen11: yeah white is winning
]
(;W[fe]
(;B[ef]
(;W[gk]
(;B[lm]
C[dachen11: white has most of bottom and upper right, black has left side and lower right
]
(;W[mn]
C[iamnewnewnew: what was the time alloted for each?
]
(;B[hk]
C[dnguyen1393: Shakes fish look at bot and verify if black group is dead. and see how many points it is :)
]
(;W[oo]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: j1 was inta played
]
(;B[po]
(;W[gk]
(;B[go]
(;W[fp]
C[dnguyen1393: @iamnewnewnew top right or go to game in formation on right side
]
(;B[hk]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: insta - like 1 sec
dachen11: e9 is ko threat
dachen11: i think
]
(;W[ma]
C[FinrodFelagund: J1 is a classic tsumego shape 
]
(;B[fh]
C[dnguyen1393: For white or black?
]
(;W[gk]
C[breh54: but this sort of game with huge trade requires accurate counting to make correct decision, that's so hard
iamnewnewnew: @dnguyen thx man
]
(;B[sk]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: j1 can never be bad
]
(;W[sj]
(;B[hk]
C[dachen11: well there is always c19
]
(;W[bm]
C[dachen11: as ko threat
imnotapro: \[object Object\]
dnguyen1393: @shakes fish when there's a tiger mouth on the side i try and read what it does to kill eyes
FinrodFelagund: J1 without hane at F1 not a good idea
]
(;B[gh]
(;W[gk]
(;B[ep]
C[dnguyen1393: f1 reduces eye space first
]
(;W[fo]
(;B[hk]
C[dnguyen1393: to clarify why it kills
iamnewnewnew: is black group in the bottom middle dead? the G2 and L2 groups?
]
(;W[ca]
C[FinrodFelagund: yes
]
(;B[ah]
(;W[gk]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: always hane first is like a prover or something
]
(;B[fn]
C[dachen11: \[object Object\]
dnguyen1393: yes try and make to eyes there as black? to verify its dead
]
(;W[en]
(;B[hk]
C[newtosenthe: not sure why white's fighting this so hard 
]
(;W[ij]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: proverb
FinrodFelagund: manhood, honor, bored
]
(;B[am]
(;W[gk]
C[dnguyen1393: white's bored? 
]
(;B[hp]
(;W[eo]
(;B[hk]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: nothing in this game is clear
]
(;W[ek]
(;B[ej]
(;W[gk]
C[Shakes Fish At Sky: unless you are like 12p
]
(;B[dr]
C[FinrodFelagund: It's not so bad
]
(;W[ds]
(;B[hk]
(;W[fl]
(;B[gk]
C[FinrodFelagund: the ko was crazy
]
(;W[la]
C[dachen11: m16
breh54: K1 and J2 are miai
minipx: came in just when that ko started
breh54: @iamnewnewnew
]
(;B[ok]
C[dachen11: also p16
]
(;W[ka]
(;B[ja]
C[breh54: if blays one of them, w plays the other
]
(;W[mm]
(;B[oc]
C[Crazywind: are we using chinese rules?
Shakes Fish At Sky: top right was genius
]
(;W[nd]
C[dachen11: japanese rules
]
(;B[oe]
(;W[ar]
(;B[aq]
(;W[cs]
(;B[as]
(;W[kd]
(;B[ar]
C[breh54: he can't see us 
]
(;W[ld]
C[dnguyen1393: Thats ryan he can't read your comment
dachen11: i know
dnguyen1393: ok
]
(;B[pr]
C[iamnewnewnew: ??? shouldnt he have known that before game started? haha
]
(;W[sc]
C[dachen11: im just saying
]
(;B[ml]
(;W[sa]
(;B[]
(;W[]
C[Palko: we use japanese
Crazywind: ok
Palko: sorry did not see message
Palko: thank you
Crazywind: np, since there's ko at the end
Crazywind: I forgot to ask at the beginning
breh54: haha actually it only matters at counting time
Shekomaru: good point dachen11
jillgoodgal: by the komi
iamnewnewnew: oooooo komi op
💖 KoBa 💖: gg!
FinrodFelagund: gg
Shakes Fish At Sky: vgg!
breh54: gg
vergilam: gg ty both
nickmanbear: Gg
dachen11: gg
vaurien: Gg
Shekomaru: I thought bottom mid was alive xD
Ginkou: nice game
dachen11: now i gotta eat lunch
imnotapro: its a tie but the komi
imnotapro: the komi made white win
dnguyen1393: Komi is big part 
imnotapro: yes
jillgoodgal: after all that they play again!
Toscana: \[object Object\]
WarrenTang: \[object Object\]
💖 KoBa 💖: \[object Object\]
jillgoodgal: why would white play N1 in that variation?
jillgoodgal: as Koba says
WarrenTang: o...
jillgoodgal: interesting the AI thinks white should let black live small in upper left and make points around it
jillgoodgal: game 2!
jillgoodgal: not up yet
KKkanbolat: \[object Object\]
]
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