(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2020-07-05]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/25209582]
GN[European Pro League]
PB[Welvang]
PW[AndyKravec]
BR[5d]
WR[?]
TM[600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+2.5]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[roln90: \[object Object\]
]
;B[pd]
(;W[dp]
C[Welvang: have fun
]
(;B[pq]
(;W[dd]
(;B[pn]
(;W[qc]
(;B[qd]
(;W[pc]
(;B[od]
(;W[nb]
(;B[fq]
(;W[cn]
C[Ferran: I found as the last game finished that this League has opened a youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLZX9FhrvhLuRMVQQO5gfVw/featured
]
(;B[cc]
(;W[dc]
(;B[cd]
(;W[cf]
(;B[bf]
(;W[bg]
(;B[ce]
(;W[df]
(;B[de]
(;W[ee]
(;B[ed]
(;W[db]
(;B[fd]
(;W[fe]
(;B[cb]
(;W[fb]
(;B[fc]
(;W[ge]
C[Chad Thunderredacted: black is ahead?
Kimbo: I think white should save those stones
Kimbo: But I guess white favors outside influence more
]
(;B[hd]
C[donutle: blacks opening was real nice
jillgoodgal: this is some AI joseki
]
(;W[gd]
(;B[gc]
(;W[hc]
(;B[gb]
(;W[ic]
(;B[eb]
(;W[if]
(;B[fo]
C[Kimbo: Hmm I think last black move was unnecessary 
]
(;W[ip]
(;B[kp]
C[bagelfan: it prevents a seki
]
(;W[gp]
(;B[fp]
(;W[dq]
C[bagelfan: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[hn]
C[Chad Thunderredacted: how much is that kill worth compared to seki?
Chad Thunderredacted: is it worth spending a turn on?
aoirinban: seki wouldnt be worth preventing, but there's a ko
aoirinban: oh sorry, seki would be important
aoirinban: corner would have problems
Chad Thunderredacted: its a 12 point difference
Chad Thunderredacted: is it really that important?
jillgoodgal: so it makes white B15 less a threat?
aoirinban: w e19 first makes ko
aoirinban: also yes, b15 would be white's sente if that were a seki
Kimbo: I see
aoirinban: and that endgame is huge
]
(;W[in]
(;B[im]
(;W[jn]
C[bagelfan: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[jm]
(;W[lo]
(;B[lp]
(;W[mo]
(;B[nq]
(;W[hm]
(;B[ho]
(;W[jp]
(;B[lm]
(;W[gm]
C[Chad Thunderredacted: pro games are so fighty
]
(;B[fm]
C[Kimbo: I think black is ahead in this fight
]
(;W[gn]
(;B[go]
(;W[fn]
(;B[en]
(;W[em]
(;B[do]
(;W[dn]
(;B[eo]
(;W[co]
(;B[fl]
(;W[hl]
C[aoirinban: fighting is the soul of go
jillgoodgal: Ilya thinks so also
]
(;B[fk]
(;W[dl]
C[Kimbo: Black has the ladder if needs be
]
(;B[ko]
C[aoirinban: l7, huh
]
(;W[km]
(;B[jl]
(;W[kl]
(;B[jk]
(;W[hk]
(;B[kn]
C[Kimbo: Was that an overplay from black?
]
(;W[gr]
C[aoirinban: i suspect l5 was wishful thinking
aoirinban: but maybe he saw this
]
(;B[fr]
C[aoirinban: i think white stones are dead
]
(;W[kq]
(;B[ir]
C[Kimbo: I see
]
(;W[ij]
C[Kimbo: Black extends in the center was to get more liberties. I misread
]
(;B[pi]
C[aoirinban: w cash isnt enough
]
(;W[ll]
C[Chad Thunderredacted: has white given up that fight?
]
(;B[lj]
C[aoirinban: well, he can't win it
]
(;W[mm]
(;B[ln]
(;W[mj]
(;B[li]
(;W[mi]
C[Kimbo: If this white group can live within big black moyo then white has a chance
]
(;B[lh]
(;W[mh]
(;B[lg]
(;W[mg]
(;B[lf]
(;W[pg]
C[Kimbo: White should just keep extending I think
]
(;B[mf]
(;W[pk]
(;B[rc]
C[Kimbo: If white lives I think white wins
]
(;W[rb]
C[aoirinban: depends on the specifics
aoirinban: if white drops the m8 stones black should win
]
(;B[re]
(;W[rg]
C[aoirinban: white has about 80 points
aoirinban: not counting this right side
aoirinban: black has 80 counted to the 6th line
]
(;B[qk]
C[Kimbo: White has upper right
]
(;W[ql]
C[aoirinban: but it seems like white should bleed a bit here
]
(;B[pl]
C[aoirinban: i counted that
Kimbo: I see
]
(;W[qj]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: so its actually somewhat close?
]
(;B[rk]
(;W[ol]
(;B[pm]
C[aoirinban: depends what you mean by close
]
(;W[pj]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: i mean well oc it is, they would resign if it wouldnt 
]
(;B[rj]
(;W[ri]
(;B[qi]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: fun to see these kinda huge territories between pros ^^
]
(;W[qh]
(;B[si]
(;W[rh]
C[aoirinban: i thought black was clearly ahead
aoirinban: but something seems to have gone wrong on the right side
]
(;B[rl]
C[Kimbo: I actually think white might win on territory now
]
(;W[sc]
C[Chad Thunderredacted: white kills the m10 dragon and wins the game
aoirinban: i think t17 is a mistake
💖 KoBa 💖: xD
]
(;B[sd]
(;W[rd]
(;B[nk]
C[aoirinban: yeah i feel like there must be something here
]
(;W[ok]
C[aoirinban: but can't quite see it
]
(;B[rc]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: its too big ko for b to lose
]
(;W[jj]
C[aoirinban: this ko isnt that big
aoirinban: b15 would be a threat
]
(;B[kk]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: b looks weak if he loses this ko
]
(;W[rd]
C[aoirinban: n8...?
aoirinban: seems enough..
💖 KoBa 💖: ooh rihgt right
]
(;B[ml]
C[aoirinban: also the bottom white doesnt have much liberties
]
(;W[nl]
C[Kimbo: I think white responded incorrectly in the first ko threat
]
(;B[mk]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: \[object Object\]
]
(;W[nj]
C[Kimbo: I think Move 124 was a mistake
]
(;B[lk]
C[aoirinban: that loses the q10 stones
Chad Thunderredacted: he can no longer kill the dragon
Chad Thunderredacted: games over
Chad Thunderredacted: idk why he did that
aoirinban: who lost?
💖 KoBa 💖: ahh yeah
jillgoodgal: wow
Kimbo: I still think it’s close
]
(;W[nn]
(;B[rc]
C[aoirinban: if w plays o6, he thinks he's losing
]
(;W[qq]
(;B[pr]
C[aoirinban: if he thinks hes winning, finish ko
]
(;W[rd]
(;B[ig]
(;W[hg]
(;B[rc]
C[Kimbo: I agree
💖 KoBa 💖: andrii just too confident to have enough threats to fight forever? xD
]
(;W[rn]
(;B[rr]
(;W[rd]
(;B[hf]
(;W[ih]
C[Napster: Who you rootin for koba?
]
(;B[jg]
C[jerrymengxiao: \[object Object\]
]
(;W[gg]
(;B[rc]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: hmmmm, i'm rooting for both ^___^
Napster: Diplomatic 
]
(;W[po]
C[Kimbo: I think white is a bit ahead
]
(;B[qo]
(;W[rd]
(;B[oi]
(;W[oo]
C[aoirinban: that was not a good ko threat
aoirinban: he blew it
]
(;B[pp]
C[aoirinban: w won, i think
Chad Thunderredacted: was his invasino successful in the bottom left?
]
(;W[qn]
(;B[ro]
C[Kimbo: I agree. I think white is winning but it’s close
]
(;W[se]
C[aoirinban: i thought black was a bit better until that
]
(;B[og]
C[aoirinban: p11 was just bad
]
(;W[oh]
C[Kimbo: Black is desperate now
]
(;B[nh]
C[Kimbo: He was way aheah
]
(;W[ni]
(;B[ph]
(;W[oj]
(;B[ae]
(;W[ch]
(;B[cs]
(;W[cr]
(;B[id]
C[aoirinban: really, tenuki?
]
(;W[jd]
(;B[ie]
(;W[kc]
(;B[mc]
(;W[mb]
(;B[es]
(;W[bs]
(;B[ds]
(;W[jh]
(;B[jf]
(;W[br]
(;B[of]
(;W[oh]
(;B[ib]
C[Kimbo: If I count correctly I think right now white is about 2-4 points ahead
]
(;W[hb]
(;B[ha]
(;W[jc]
(;B[lc]
(;W[lb]
(;B[gf]
(;W[fg]
C[Kimbo: So with good endgame, it can go either way
aoirinban: think w is a lot ahead
]
(;B[qe]
C[aoirinban: komi-ish
Kimbo: Oh I forgot komi lol
Kimbo: Silly me
]
(;W[ld]
(;B[md]
C[aoirinban: not even close
Kimbo: I counted on the board
]
(;W[ng]
C[Kimbo: My bad haha
]
(;B[oc]
(;W[ob]
(;B[sf]
(;W[rf]
(;B[sd]
C[jillgoodgal: back to that ko
]
(;W[mp]
(;B[mq]
(;W[se]
(;B[ff]
(;W[ef]
(;B[sd]
(;W[qp]
(;B[rp]
(;W[se]
(;B[hh]
C[Kimbo: Is that a ko threat?
]
(;W[gi]
(;B[sd]
C[jillgoodgal: good enough
]
(;W[hr]
(;B[hq]
(;W[se]
(;B[hi]
C[tekken8: very close 
]
(;W[hj]
(;B[sd]
(;W[iq]
(;B[jr]
(;W[se]
C[jillgoodgal: I do not see black profiting from this ko?
Kimbo: I think rn with komi w is 10-12 points ahead 
]
(;B[dm]
(;W[cm]
(;B[sd]
(;W[rq]
(;B[sq]
(;W[se]
(;B[gh]
(;W[fh]
(;B[sd]
(;W[so]
(;B[qr]
(;W[se]
(;B[fi]
(;W[ii]
(;B[sd]
(;W[fa]
(;B[ga]
C[Kimbo: W has more ko threats
Ferran: This is minor, but wouldn't 227@F12 be more useful?
]
(;W[se]
(;B[el]
(;W[dm]
(;B[sd]
C[aoirinban: think it loses a ko threat
aoirinban: the f11 one
]
(;W[on]
(;B[qm]
(;W[se]
C[Ferran: I thought it was still there. OK
]
(;B[ag]
(;W[ah]
C[Kimbo: W has more ko threats. W can threaten to live in the bottom
]
(;B[sd]
(;W[af]
C[aoirinban: w has only 1 ko threat there
aoirinban: oh
]
(;B[rc]
C[aoirinban: nvm
]
(;W[be]
(;B[sb]
C[Napster: O.o
jillgoodgal: wow trade corner territory
]
(;W[bb]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: O__O
💖 KoBa 💖: didnt see that coming
aoirinban: w got the better of it
]
(;B[qb]
C[Kimbo: It should be over now
]
(;W[pb]
(;B[ra]
C[Kimbo: I think b made a mistake
]
(;W[jb]
C[Kimbo: W can live but it’s hard for b
]
(;B[ia]
(;W[ja]
(;B[ea]
C[aoirinban: wait
aoirinban: if w  c19 there?
]
(;W[bc]
C[aoirinban: tsk, nvm
Kimbo: It’s over
]
(;B[ba]
(;W[bd]
(;B[ca]
(;W[nf]
C[Kimbo: Black lost more in that trade
]
(;B[le]
(;W[kd]
(;B[mn]
(;W[op]
C[jillgoodgal: this is tough enough without doing it in thirty seconds
aoirinban: it became really close
]
(;B[oq]
C[aoirinban: i can't tell who's ahead
]
(;W[om]
(;B[sj]
C[dmeng276: white
]
(;W[pf]
(;B[oe]
(;W[pa]
(;B[np]
(;W[no]
(;B[qa]
(;W[kh]
(;B[qf]
(;W[ne]
C[Kimbo: Oh no
]
(;B[qg]
(;W[er]
C[Kimbo: It’s actually close now  how did it happen? Was it because of the ko exchange?
]
(;B[ki]
C[aoirinban: yes, white got more out of the ko
]
(;W[ab]
C[tekken8: in the ko exchange black lost actually
]
(;B[nm]
(;W[kg]
(;B[kf]
(;W[mm]
(;B[fs]
(;W[nm]
(;B[me]
C[Kimbo: But when did black closed the gap. It’s even now
]
(;W[sg]
(;B[se]
(;W[sh]
(;B[rm]
(;W[dr]
(;B[da]
C[dmeng276: I think black still loses by 2-3
]
(;W[ph]
(;B[if]
C[tekken8: it was close but i believe black was ahead
]
(;W[eq]
C[dmeng276: really
]
(;B[gq]
C[dmeng276: I was just watching
aoirinban: black was ahead for a while
]
(;W[ep]
C[dmeng276: didn't know that
]
(;B[]
(;W[]
C[Welvang: gg
Kimbo: Nice game
Kimbo: Many fights
Chad Thunderredacted: gg
Kimbo: Gg
Napster: Gg
💖 KoBa 💖: gg!
jillgoodgal: so close
donutle: nice show!
]
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