(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2020-12-06]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/28927547]
GN[Euro Pro League]
PB[artem92]
PW[Welvang]
BR[?]
WR[5d]
TM[600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Welvang: have a nice game
artem92: good game
AndriiKravets: \[object Object\]
]
;B[pd]
(;W[dp]
(;B[qp]
(;W[dc]
(;B[np]
(;W[qf]
(;B[pj]
(;W[nc]
(;B[pf]
(;W[pg]
(;B[of]
(;W[qd]
(;B[qc]
(;W[qe]
C[Father Tomato: Wow the clock is really short right?
]
(;B[pc]
(;W[qh]
(;B[md]
(;W[rj]
(;B[ce]
(;W[cd]
(;B[de]
(;W[fc]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: yeah, these leageu games are fast ^^
]
(;B[ed]
(;W[ec]
C[💖 KoBa 💖: they are playing best-of-3 tonight, so the match can take few hours ^^
]
(;B[di]
(;W[fq]
(;B[kc]
(;W[ck]
(;B[gp]
(;W[lq]
(;B[fp]
(;W[gq]
(;B[hq]
(;W[ep]
(;B[hp]
(;W[lo]
(;B[er]
(;W[eq]
(;B[kp]
(;W[lp]
(;B[oq]
(;W[jn]
C[jillgoodgal: ah found it
]
(;B[dl]
(;W[dk]
(;B[el]
(;W[ek]
C[jillgoodgal: I guess that E16 peep is good there with white on third line instead of fourth?
]
(;B[fl]
(;W[bm]
(;B[fk]
(;W[fj]
(;B[ej]
(;W[fi]
(;B[ch]
(;W[cn]
(;B[hk]
(;W[ge]
(;B[gf]
(;W[dg]
(;B[cg]
(;W[fe]
(;B[fg]
C[Father Tomato:   Not sure you have a simple rule like that: if you peep, you probably make the opponent stronger so better be sure it is worth it, that's the only rule i guess?
Alcarain: peep also is a question, so you can see how your oppennent want's to play
jillgoodgal: I was just considering usually you want the move under it when white is on fourth line
]
(;W[hi]
(;B[if]
C[Alcarain: hard to say usually in go :p
]
(;W[hn]
C[Alcarain: usually I'm too bad to tell honestely x)
Father Tomato: you have to evaluate everything and give every stone a purpose, hard to find easy answers
]
(;B[im]
(;W[in]
(;B[fn]
(;W[ei]
C[jillgoodgal: pretty easy to say E17 and C17 against that if white was on the fourth line with the kick and extend
]
(;B[dj]
C[Father Tomato: This clock does not let low level like us the time to kibitz properly... that's a shame!!!
Alcarain: I guess if your group is weaker, peeping is ok if it makes you a bit stronger, even if your oppennent gets stronger too
]
(;W[dh]
(;B[bj]
(;W[bk]
(;B[cj]
(;W[ef]
C[Alcarain: this is already too complicated and fast for me
Alcarain: so much going on
]
(;B[bd]
C[Father Tomato: the principle of exchanging is that the opponent will get something, you just want more, or at least a better follow up for further
]
(;W[bc]
(;B[dd]
(;W[cc]
C[Father Tomato: definitely, this clock is making the game so cheaper that the one we could watch with a slower clock... :'( 
]
(;B[cl]
(;W[bl]
C[Father Tomato: not criticizing the game, it is cheaper for us, poor watchers :'( 
jillgoodgal: that was why I was asking about a move I could understand!
Alcarain: yep, I prefer long long games, by far ^^
]
(;B[be]
(;W[jk]
(;B[ij]
(;W[ki]
C[Alcarain: this is madness, my nerves would be burnt if I was in their shooes xD
]
(;B[jj]
(;W[kj]
(;B[kk]
(;W[jl]
C[Father Tomato: They think in a way so far from the one we think :)I think for them, it's not really that mad
]
(;B[lk]
C[Alcarain: probably
]
(;W[hl]
C[Alcarain: but from a common mortal point of view it is :p
]
(;B[gl]
C[Father Tomato: It's like watching some AI moves, you can't even start to get the point of it...
]
(;W[lm]
(;B[ih]
C[Alcarain: I could spent their whole time for the game just on 1 of their moves, and even then, not sure I understand it correctly
]
(;W[mj]
(;B[mk]
C[Alcarain: experience is a big deal
carmelcake: who do you think is stronger?
]
(;W[nk]
(;B[nl]
C[Alcarain: no clue, I know white is very strong, and I know black is very strong cD
]
(;W[ol]
C[jillgoodgal: Artem is slightly stronger player but they are both very good
Father Tomato: So far a lot remains to be played. I like how white developped his game though. Let's check if he'll be able to maintain it and get more on the board than black!
]
(;B[nj]
C[beatstormHD: at thi point i think w is doing better
]
(;W[ok]
C[Father Tomato: Black is in SD, a lot of timesuji can happen now
mrskonr: black was strong in the beginning imo, his pushing was quite good
]
(;B[mi]
C[Alcarain: if I'm right,I heard white didn't play a serious game in a long time, and is a bit tired from he's last twitch stream
]
(;W[lj]
(;B[kh]
C[Father Tomato: haha you were there too :) 
Alcarain: :p
]
(;W[oj]
(;B[ni]
C[jillgoodgal: this is decide what to sacrifice to win
]
(;W[ml]
C[Alcarain: honestly I wouldn't be suprised if black win this first game
]
(;B[ji]
(;W[jc]
C[Father Tomato: A good timesuji can still happen :) 
]
(;B[jd]
C[Alcarain: I'm a noob, but I feel black is better
Father Tomato: not very elegant, but still part of the game!
]
(;W[ic]
C[Alcarain: time is a big deal in go
]
(;B[id]
C[Alcarain: psycological state is aswell
]
(;W[kb]
(;B[hc]
C[Father Tomato: But actually, my reading and counting is really low since i'm drinking wine and making pizzas, tho, it feels like whit is behind
]
(;W[hd]
(;B[lc]
C[Alcarain: I'm sure, you are way better than me with it, even tho you are drinking and cooking xD
]
(;W[lb]
C[Alcarain: drunk go has to be a thing
Father Tomato: haha not for me unlikely, my level really drops with wine xD
]
(;B[mb]
(;W[mc]
C[Alcarain: Mine does not ! It's already on the floor :p
carmelcake: yes drunk go is a thing and it is intresting
Father Tomato: maybe with some wine, everybody would be on the same floor xD
]
(;B[hb]
C[Alcarain: New handicap games
Alcarain: wine
]
(;W[jb]
(;B[he]
C[Father Tomato: :p
]
(;W[gd]
(;B[nb]
C[jillgoodgal: now Artem takes sente
Alcarain: obviously in french rules
]
(;W[nd]
C[Father Tomato: it would be a cool handicap, only in some countries tho xD
carmelcake: go apocalypse drunk style
]
(;B[oc]
(;W[kd]
(;B[ld]
(;W[ke]
(;B[ne]
C[carmelcake: no driving after though . that's a rule! 
Father Tomato: you do have to sleep where you play go :p 
]
(;W[hg]
(;B[hf]
C[Alcarain: and not on the board, right before the end of the last ko xD
carmelcake: good ;)
]
(;W[jf]
(;B[ie]
(;W[ig]
(;B[gg]
C[carmelcake: is h14 group dead 
]
(;W[gc]
C[jillgoodgal: when I made wedge shape I usually feel I have lost the game
Alcarain: I think black h14 is ok
]
(;B[eg]
C[Father Tomato: yeah yeah it is ok :) 
]
(;W[hh]
C[Father Tomato: probably gote to defend it at the end
Alcarain: or now
]
(;B[jg]
C[Alcarain: yup
]
(;W[kg]
C[Alcarain: big ko :o
Father Tomato: getting critical here!
]
(;B[jh]
C[Father Tomato: and black has so little time
Alcarain: no ko :p
]
(;W[df]
C[carmelcake: but if white attached d14 to g16  and white some how kills m16 then he would be pretty dead yeau 
]
(;B[lf]
C[jillgoodgal: I would never have fought that ko either
]
(;W[eh]
C[Alcarain: no impossible to win
carmelcake: nope never mind 
]
(;B[nm]
C[Father Tomato: Gotta bake those pizzas for my son, bye guys ;) keeping an eye on the game but kibitz off for me :) everyone have a good game!
Alcarain: bon appétit ^^
]
(;W[om]
(;B[nn]
C[carmelcake: bye father tomato
]
(;W[jr]
(;B[ir]
(;W[jq]
(;B[qm]
(;W[qo]
(;B[po]
(;W[qn]
(;B[pn]
C[carmelcake:  i am eating the best potato soup in the world
]
(;W[rp]
C[Alcarain: Great :p
jillgoodgal: still waiting for C3
]
(;B[qq]
(;W[rm]
C[Alcarain: not sure it works at the moment
]
(;B[rl]
C[jillgoodgal: at worst it is ko
Alcarain: at best I would say
]
(;W[ql]
(;B[pm]
C[jillgoodgal: E2 is pretty useful
]
(;W[rk]
(;B[cq]
C[Alcarain: oh there it is
]
(;W[dr]
(;B[cr]
(;W[dq]
(;B[bo]
(;W[cp]
(;B[bp]
(;W[br]
(;B[bq]
(;W[cs]
(;B[bs]
(;W[as]
(;B[aq]
C[Alcarain: dead corner I read
]
(;W[eo]
(;B[co]
(;W[dn]
(;B[bn]
(;W[cm]
(;B[ar]
(;W[fo]
(;B[go]
C[Alcarain: now alive
]
(;W[gn]
(;B[en]
(;W[do]
C[jillgoodgal: what is dead?
]
(;B[gr]
(;W[fr]
C[Alcarain: black bottom left corner is ok
]
(;B[rn]
C[Alcarain: but could have been dead in gote for white
]
(;W[sl]
(;B[ro]
C[Alcarain: unless I'm miss reading it
jillgoodgal: the white B8 group was threatened
]
(;W[rc]
(;B[rb]
(;W[rd]
(;B[mr]
(;W[lr]
(;B[la]
(;W[gb]
C[Alcarain: yep but I saw a window to kill the black corner in capturing race, but gote obviously
]
(;B[oi]
(;W[pi]
C[Alcarain: may be wrong
geniechan88: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[pl]
(;W[pk]
(;B[ak]
(;W[ad]
C[jillgoodgal: one more white eye lost
]
(;B[ae]
(;W[cf]
(;B[bf]
(;W[al]
(;B[bh]
(;W[aj]
(;B[ai]
(;W[nr]
(;B[or]
(;W[sb]
(;B[oh]
(;W[mq]
(;B[ac]
(;W[os]
(;B[ps]
(;W[ns]
(;B[nq]
(;W[ms]
(;B[pr]
(;W[qb]
(;B[ph]
(;W[qj]
(;B[bb]
(;W[cb]
(;B[og]
(;W[qg]
(;B[pb]
(;W[ra]
(;B[hm]
(;W[il]
(;B[gm]
(;W[jm]
(;B[ka]
(;W[ma]
(;B[na]
C[jillgoodgal: loss of black H4 group should be decisive I think
]
(;W[ja]
(;B[ha]
C[Alcarain: seems so
]
(;W[ma]
(;B[la]
(;W[ga]
(;B[dm]
(;W[gs]
(;B[hr]
(;W[on]
(;B[oo]
(;W[pa]
(;B[bs]
(;W[es]
(;B[mn]
(;W[kl]
(;B[li]
(;W[gj]
(;B[gk]
C[Alcarain: \[object Object\]
]
(;W[gh]
(;B[kf]
(;W[ln]
C[artem92: thanks
Welvang: thanks
Darkhan: gg
knodikap: gg
Wachap: gg
Alcarain: Congrats, gg
jillgoodgal: that was complicated!
carmelcake: gg
💖 KoBa 💖: gg 
Jaedon R: gg
jillgoodgal: oh wow B6 in lower left
]
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