(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2021-08-08]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/36004211]
GN[1st TPGL semi-final 3]
PB[artem92]
PW[Crazywind]
BR[?]
WR[4d]
TM[1800]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+8.5]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[artem92: have a good game
Crazywind: have fun!
S_Alexander: i'm here
Avtikh: \[object Object\]
]
;B[pd]
(;W[dd]
(;B[qp]
(;W[dq]
(;B[np]
(;W[do]
(;B[dn]
(;W[co]
C[S_Alexander: C5 is pretty rare?
]
(;B[cc]
(;W[dc]
(;B[cd]
(;W[de]
(;B[bf]
(;W[qc]
(;B[qd]
(;W[pc]
C[Weiqibudong: no
]
(;B[nc]
(;W[oc]
(;B[od]
(;W[nb]
(;B[pj]
(;W[lq]
C[AntoineBE: Can we use this chat to discuss the game or do the players see it?
]
(;B[mc]
(;W[mb]
(;B[lc]
C[sektorate: they'll only see it once the game is over
Weiqibudong: we can
]
(;W[mo]
(;B[mp]
(;W[lp]
(;B[lo]
C[S_Alexander: cuuut
aoirinban: i feel like i havent seen this cut before
]
(;W[pp]
C[aoirinban: i saw black p6 before in similar position
aoirinban: yeah, that's why..
jisumin: \[object Object\]
drifterwolf: too complicated
]
(;B[pq]
(;W[oq]
(;B[op]
(;W[po]
(;B[qq]
(;W[or]
C[jisumin: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[mn]
(;W[qo]
C[AntoineBE: Is R3 dead?
jisumin: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[ro]
(;W[rn]
(;B[sp]
(;W[pm]
C[Azrail: no it is not antoine
]
(;B[no]
C[jisumin: \[object Object\]
snakesss: huh
]
(;W[mr]
C[snakesss: oh, take was sente for this? ok
snakesss: r9? simple move?
jisumin: \[object Object\]
snakesss: r7? fancy move?
snakesss: b wouldnt protect now, would he? isnt it too early?
drifterwolf: which side would you take from here? black for me
]
(;B[pr]
C[snakesss: if b has to defend...
snakesss: then white, i take white
]
(;W[qk]
(;B[qj]
(;W[rj]
(;B[ri]
C[Zaphodian: already feels bad for B
]
(;W[rk]
C[katapliksi: i prefer b
Zaphodian: Maybe B K4 now?
snakesss: can it be k3 instead?
Zaphodian: Maybe K4 is too soft because B is behind
jisumin: \[object Object\]
Zaphodian: Yes, K3 is an attack
Zaphodian: \[object Object\]
aoirinban: q9?
Azrail: S7
]
(;B[jo]
(;W[jq]
(;B[pk]
C[Zaphodian: S7 also kills the corner, I think...
]
(;W[pl]
C[aoirinban: only the corner or the outside can die, not both :)
]
(;B[nk]
C[Zaphodian: Although B Q1 or R1 is sente. So it's hard to say
claire yang: black going cosmic style?!
Zaphodian: The outside is not easily dieable
]
(;W[rr]
(;B[rq]
C[Zaphodian: W is probing
Zaphodian: He wants to make T6 sente
]
(;W[rh]
(;B[qh]
(;W[si]
C[snakesss: erm...
snakesss: atari!
]
(;B[hd]
C[Zaphodian: what?
claire yang: going full cosmic
jisumin: \[object Object\]
]
(;W[qi]
(;B[ph]
C[jisumin: \[object Object\]
Azrail: both of those kinda hurt b influence
]
(;W[eh]
C[jisumin: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[gg]
C[Zaphodian: \[object Object\]
]
(;W[cg]
(;B[bg]
(;W[ch]
C[katapliksi: G11
olio: the players must be exhausted
jisumin: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[gi]
C[snakesss: dont rly see the holes in this moyo now
slb7: yeah
snakesss: i guess white doesnt add a move topleft but reduces now?
slb7: watching cosmic is always fun thoug
]
(;W[gk]
C[katapliksi: if b adds another move around H8 it will be scary
snakesss: that looks soft
slb7: a critical juncture
]
(;B[fj]
C[snakesss: this doesnt look soft
]
(;W[fk]
(;B[ej]
C[snakesss: can b do this? is topleft white weak?
aoirinban: what else is black gonna do
]
(;W[ik]
C[snakesss: passively protecting would be terrible? moyo still not big enough?
slb7: I mean influence doesn't usually die
drifterwolf: white says: kill me if you can
drifterwolf: like this move
]
(;B[cj]
C[Rocco: cool game
aoirinban: never ever passively protect
slb7: ah all or nothing know
slb7: *now
snakesss: unless it's enough to win? :D
aoirinban: did i stutter
Rocco: is this part of a series?
Azrail: it's a tournament rocco
Rocco: yeah, I saw
Azrail: this is a best 2 out of 3 semi final
jisumin: \[object Object\]
Rocco: ok cool
Azrail: it's currently 1-1
snakesss: i can find you games where pros passively protect tho :P
]
(;W[ll]
C[olio: the pride of American and European go is on the line
aoirinban: it's half a joke 
Rocco: so
Rocco: top left
aoirinban: teachers always criticize passive protecting
Rocco: what's the situation there
drifterwolf: prediction: white wins
Rocco: unkillable?
LucidGamma: it seems the pro move is to counterattck
snakesss: which, rocco?
drifterwolf: looks like to me white has read this out and has a plan
snakesss: d17 or o5?
snakesss: :P
Rocco: white's stick 
snakesss: this might not be entirely "my stick is unkillable" maybe?
LucidGamma: the burden of killing it is too much for B right now, too much potential elsewhere 
snakesss: maybe it's "your stuff is killable too, whatcha think about that first?"
]
(;B[ml]
C[olio: it's Ryan so definitely unkillable
]
(;W[lj]
C[Rocco: didn't know ryan was so stronk
slb7: f6 counterattack?
Rocco: seeing a match of him vs ilya should be something
olio: Ryan has won Chen Yaoye
Azrail: this is true
snakesss: it is known
smog山人: only chen yaoye can defeat chen yaoye
Azrail: indubitably
AntoineBE: Is R3 dead?
]
(;B[kk]
C[Rocco: no?
LucidGamma: no T6 is sente tho
snakesss: currently 30th, chen yaoye
]
(;W[lk]
C[AntoineBE: thx
olio: AntoineBE: there's a seki but black is alive
Rocco: me in this game as white: dead 
gennan: In lower right, I suppose white might make a seki in gote, but black is alive.
snakesss: \[object Object\]
smog山人: I could die twice in the middle as w atm
drifterwolf: me in this game as either, dead
]
(;B[eg]
C[gennan: There is a wide gap around G6, so I think it is unlikely that white dies in the center.
Zaphodian: The top left White group is a co-called 'golden group'.
Zaphodian: that means that it is hard to kill
Azrail: when b played that kata lit up with possible moves for wXD
Azrail: there's 8
smog山人: I think it W top left can give B some stronger shapes in center
gennan: In upper left it looks like white has at least a ko to survive. But that group looks like white's weakest group.
drifterwolf: this black move seems weird
snakesss: 3 stones not that important?
Mardipaev: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
snakesss: cant white just take base on top?
gennan: E13 looks like taking an eye away, so it attacks white.
snakesss: i wanna sac these 3 stones efficiently if i can 
snakesss: just living with anything should be enough, easily
]
(;W[cb]
(;B[bb]
(;W[gc]
(;B[hc]
(;W[gd]
C[snakesss: k, dont even bother with it - just take the base
Rocco: wtf
Rocco: are they blitzing?
gennan: Again this looks like a game that Artem likes: being safe and thick, while his opponent is thin and in danger.
smog山人: ryan is keeping up the time pressure, artem is the one "low" on time
]
(;B[eb]
C[drifterwolf: it's always difficult to kill vs make live
drifterwolf: wow, looks dead to me, lol, at least i don't know how to make it live
snakesss: whats the move? now return to e13 stuff?
snakesss: or kick this? or hane h18?
snakesss: or hane h15, hmmm
jisumin: Look like over play?
gennan: Even if all of white's groups survive, it doesn't look like white has more territory than black.
snakesss: it doesnt? :O
Rocco: black really doesnt have that much
smog山人: so annoying, I'm rooting for artem as always, but I need ryan to win
snakesss: i thought white is easily ahead in points
Rocco: why the latter?
smog山人: finals has to be ilya vs ryan
Rocco: oh shit
Rocco: didn't know ilya was on the other side
snakesss: you shoulda wished for sumtin else
gennan: White only has about 40 points secure in my count. Doesn't look like black has problesm making about 47 points IMO
Rocco: such a long stall here
]
(;W[db]
(;B[gb]
(;W[cf]
C[Rocco: gave up like a huge part of his time advantage
snakesss: huh, just connect
]
(;B[be]
(;W[ba]
C[Rocco: pressure corner to gain strength i guess
snakesss: turn is sente?
snakesss: b12?
Rocco: doubtful
Rocco: not after a response here
Azrail: a16
Zaphodian: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[bc]
C[Rocco: why not A17?
💖 KoBa 💖: ilya vs ryan would be interesting finale, but i betted on artem with this one ^^
Zaphodian: A16that would lead o ko
]
(;W[bh]
C[Rocco: ah thought so
Zaphodian: oops, A17 would lead to ko
]
(;B[ag]
C[Zaphodian: After B17, B12 is sente
Zaphodian: It was better to play B17 at A16
gennan: Black A16 woul make white C15 sente, whith bonus eye by w E14.
Rocco: seems so because you can't short all the liberties after B18
megaschaf: looks like white in trouble
Azrail: no, f13
Rocco: I mean A18
Zaphodian: C15 seems less interesting than B12
drifterwolf: i thought white m10 would've been somewhere top left to make live first
boolboh: Go, go Artem!
]
(;W[fg]
(;B[fh]
(;W[ff]
C[gennan: Hmm, white might still live fairly easily.
Rocco: crazy
Zaphodian: Exactly, that's specifically why B17 should have been at A16
snakesss: and when white lives.. where are black's points?
]
(;B[gf]
C[Zaphodian: \[object Object\]
gennan: Maybe b A16 would have been better after all, making w B12 gote
]
(;W[ef]
C[jisumin: \[object Object\]
gennan: w alive
]
(;B[ji]
C[gennan: Perhaps b can make 50 points in upper right center.
jisumin: \[object Object\]
]
(;W[kj]
(;B[lh]
(;W[hh]
(;B[gh]
C[Rocco: is a move like G4 for white inconceivable?
slb7: b no pints
Rocco: in gote
snakesss: 50 points in the center, u dreamin :P
]
(;W[kh]
C[gennan: G4 is big, but both players are busy now
]
(;B[ki]
(;W[li]
(;B[mh]
(;W[hp]
(;B[ho]
C[Azrail: kata has w 96.5%
]
(;W[gp]
C[jisumin: \[object Object\]
drifterwolf: yay
smog山人: thank gawd, also noooo
jisumin: w good
gennan: Percentage says little. 15 points says more.
smog山人: sudden death o.o
]
(;B[hj]
(;W[im]
(;B[ip]
(;W[iq]
C[gennan: Looks like black can get 50 points in upper right center, but other than that, black has only about 20 points.
]
(;B[lb]
(;W[sr]
C[gennan: looks like white has at least 70 points already.
]
(;B[rs]
C[gennan: White is going to make seki in lower left?
]
(;W[sn]
C[gennan: That would be a 10+ point difference.
]
(;B[qr]
C[snakesss: the shape move
snakesss: jajaja
olio: beautiful
gennan: No seki
gennan: Black lives with points
]
(;W[rc]
(;B[cn]
C[gennan: C6 is big
]
(;W[en]
(;B[bo]
(;W[bp]
(;B[bn]
C[snakesss: hane over, for safety?
]
(;W[em]
C[snakesss: dont need the endgame points
gennan: Bigger than S17 I think
gennan: S17 = 2nd line. C6 = 3rd line, usually bigger
]
(;B[dl]
(;W[ec]
(;B[gm]
C[jisumin: w win
MyBlizzAcc: is white cut here?
]
(;W[gn]
(;B[hn]
(;W[hm]
C[gennan: I count w ~85 including komi, b ~73
]
(;B[eo]
C[gennan: B tricksy
MyBlizzAcc: i only count white about 5 ahead
jisumin: game over
Azrail: or trying to be
gennan: B3 imminent
Azrail: double SD
Azrail: anything can happen O.O
MyBlizzAcc: yepp
]
(;W[go]
C[jisumin: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[cq]
C[Azrail: misclick..?
gennan: Oh wow
MyBlizzAcc: theres something here?
gennan: I expected B3
gennan: but maybe not enough
]
(;W[cp]
C[Azrail: i think we all did gennan
]
(;B[bq]
(;W[ap]
(;B[dr]
C[gennan: B tries to get a ko here?
gennan: Is it working?
]
(;W[eq]
C[Azrail: kata says yes
gennan: looks like a ko
Azrail: b2, no ko
gennan: With b B2
]
(;B[bs]
C[gennan: Oh alive!
]
(;W[er]
(;B[ds]
(;W[aq]
(;B[ar]
(;W[es]
C[olio: gote
Weiqibudong: What kata say? Who is leading?
gennan: Still, pretty big
]
(;B[cr]
C[olio: click score estimator
katapliksi: you can use the ogs se
katapliksi: it's katago rated
]
(;W[fb]
C[Azrail: yeah, kata says w+12.5, 99.3 percent
snakesss: oh riiiight - we got OP estimator
]
(;B[ob]
(;W[pb]
C[Azrail: I'm just recording on katrain
Weiqibudong: Oh, thank you guys, I didn’t know SE is katago now 
katapliksi: why would w play P18?
gennan: w ~90, b ~ 85?
]
(;B[qf]
C[snakesss: i see ogs kata estimator wants r14 next
katapliksi: if he needs time N19 better?
snakesss: hah, taken in reverse sente
]
(;W[hb]
(;B[ib]
(;W[ga]
C[snakesss: man, to think that this was going to be available to players...
]
(;B[ao]
(;W[dp]
C[gennan: Try to count by yourself.
snakesss: around k18 ?
]
(;B[mi]
(;W[jb]
(;B[jc]
(;W[ia]
(;B[ic]
(;W[ge]
C[Azrail: i prefer to use se if im not playing
]
(;B[he]
C[snakesss: thnx ogs estimator - my endgame high dan now
]
(;W[so]
(;B[ps]
(;W[os]
(;B[sq]
(;W[bj]
(;B[bk]
(;W[bi]
C[snakesss: it's nice having it available as a spectator 
]
(;B[km]
C[Azrail: yeah, i like the leisure of being a spectator and not having to do my own counting
]
(;W[lm]
(;B[kp]
C[snakesss: but ye, i'd prefer if it wasnt mentioned much in the kibitz
]
(;W[kq]
(;B[jm]
(;W[jj]
(;B[ij]
C[Zaphodian: W is leading by more than the komi
]
(;W[jk]
C[gennan: I think my previous count was inaccurate. B only about 70-75 pts
snakesss: it should be possible to kibitz completely free of ai somehow
AntoineBE: what is the score
]
(;B[hl]
(;W[il]
(;B[hk]
(;W[gl]
C[snakesss: that center actually got very close to 50 points
]
(;B[ol]
(;W[bl]
(;B[cl]
(;W[ak]
C[snakesss: cool clamp
]
(;B[ck]
(;W[jp]
(;B[jn]
(;W[on]
(;B[nn]
C[gennan: W including komi about 85?
]
(;W[rg]
C[gennan: w definitely winning.
gennan: not much b can do
]
(;B[rd]
(;W[sd]
(;B[se]
(;W[sc]
(;B[rf]
(;W[ja]
(;B[ma]
(;W[oa]
C[smog山人: well probably worth finishing endgame at this point either way
]
(;B[dh]
(;W[dg]
(;B[di]
C[MyBlizzAcc: sudden death and the game is at around 10 points, so not that easy to count accurately in sudden death
snakesss: hmmm i dont see 85 for w
]
(;W[ln]
C[snakesss: am i missing an area
]
(;B[ko]
(;W[mm]
(;B[nm]
(;W[mk]
(;B[nl]
(;W[pi]
(;B[oi]
(;W[ri]
C[snakesss: not even counting 80 
gennan: Did you include komi?
snakesss: ye
AntoineBE: and the captures
]
(;B[bm]
C[katapliksi: N3
]
(;W[al]
(;B[am]
(;W[aj]
C[snakesss: bottom white... 28 points?
snakesss: right side 10
MyBlizzAcc: i get around 75 for white
]
(;B[kl]
C[snakesss: topright 9
]
(;W[el]
C[AntoineBE: N3 is a gote 
]
(;B[ei]
C[AntoineBE: sorry
]
(;W[ek]
C[AntoineBE: a dame i think
snakesss: 13 topleft
]
(;B[gj]
(;W[dm]
(;B[cm]
(;W[io]
(;B[in]
(;W[qg]
(;B[pg]
(;W[rp]
C[snakesss: 5 captures and komi...
]
(;B[ss]
(;W[ro]
(;B[sg]
(;W[kb]
(;B[kc]
(;W[na]
(;B[la]
(;W[ab]
(;B[ah]
(;W[ca]
(;B[ac]
(;W[ce]
(;B[ad]
(;W[dk]
(;B[nj]
(;W[ip]
(;B[eg]
(;W[fm]
(;B[eh]
(;W[aa]
(;B[mo]
(;W[gm]
(;B[sf]
(;W[nr]
(;B[ka]
(;W[ha]
(;B[]
(;W[]
C[artem92: thank you for the game
Crazywind: thank you the game
AntoineBE: GG
S_Alexander: gg
snakesss: good show
gennan: Thanks
gennan: Artem & Ryan
]
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