(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2020-05-02]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/23598399]
GN[European Online Pro League]
PB[Avtikh]
PW[Welvang]
BR[?]
WR[5d]
TM[600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[W+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Welvang: have fun !
AndyKravec: \[object Object\]
]
;B[pd]
C[Welvang: have fun !
]
(;W[dp]
(;B[qp]
(;W[dc]
(;B[np]
C[jillgoodgal: attack Tanguy!
]
(;W[qc]
C[Avtikh: have a nice game ;)
]
(;B[qd]
(;W[pc]
(;B[nc]
(;W[nb]
(;B[mc]
C[ronin3: push once and invade moyo!
]
(;W[mb]
(;B[lc]
(;W[pj]
(;B[ql]
(;W[ce]
(;B[fq]
(;W[eq]
(;B[fp]
(;W[dn]
C[ronin3: O10 now?
]
(;B[ok]
(;W[ni]
(;B[mj]
C[ronin3: this seems like a position from Attack and Defense
]
(;W[mi]
(;B[lj]
(;W[oc]
(;B[od]
(;W[ne]
C[jillgoodgal: looks like the ladder would have been good for white
ronin3: look out because with three stones in a row you can capture with a net 
ronin3: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[rc]
(;W[rb]
(;B[qb]
(;W[rd]
(;B[ob]
(;W[sc]
(;B[pb]
(;W[rc]
(;B[lb]
C[ronin3: frankly this looks like one of those -40 pts moments... for black :/
ronin3: i wonder if cut first or R14 first
jillgoodgal: yes the peep was much better than the cut in this case
]
(;W[nd]
(;B[qf]
(;W[pf]
(;B[re]
(;W[qa]
(;B[pg]
(;W[oe]
(;B[qe]
(;W[oa]
(;B[oj]
(;W[oi]
(;B[qh]
(;W[og]
(;B[pi]
(;W[ic]
(;B[jd]
(;W[jc]
(;B[kd]
(;W[kh]
(;B[gd]
(;W[id]
(;B[ie]
(;W[je]
C[Sampi: J14
]
(;B[kg]
(;W[jf]
(;B[jg]
(;W[if]
(;B[he]
(;W[le]
C[ronin3: this looks like the kind of fight you don't want to have in bio-yomi
Mrrr: :)
]
(;B[hb]
(;W[kb]
(;B[dd]
(;W[cd]
(;B[ec]
(;W[ke]
(;B[cc]
(;W[db]
C[hexahedron: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[bc]
(;W[eb]
C[ronin3: whoa!
]
(;B[de]
C[Mrrr: i was thinking about L19 instead of K19, there would be ko
]
(;W[cf]
C[Mrrr: but this is just better :)
]
(;B[df]
C[ronin3: this looks like a branch from the large avalanche
]
(;W[cg]
(;B[cb]
(;W[fc]
(;B[gc]
(;W[fb]
C[G-Slayer: hi
]
(;B[bd]
(;W[be]
(;B[ba]
(;W[ab]
C[jillgoodgal: life and death!
G-Slayer: yeh
]
(;B[da]
C[Mrrr: there is always death in the end
]
(;W[ed]
(;B[ee]
(;W[ea]
(;B[fd]
(;W[ad]
C[ronin3: hm, now all the aji on the right side might come useful to white
]
(;B[jq]
(;W[fn]
C[ronin3: black says "i'm out"
]
(;B[bo]
C[Mrrr: if black M18 stones are alive, white center group is not really safe
]
(;W[cm]
(;B[cq]
C[ronin3: M18 is no longer alive after L15
]
(;W[er]
(;B[cp]
(;W[do]
(;B[dg]
(;W[ch]
C[jillgoodgal: had to extend one more
Mrrr: very true, i overlooked L15 being already played
]
(;B[bm]
(;W[bl]
(;B[bn]
(;W[gg]
(;B[dh]
(;W[di]
(;B[ei]
(;W[dj]
(;B[jn]
(;W[rg]
(;B[rh]
C[jillgoodgal: big moyo versus lots of captured groups?
]
(;W[fh]
C[Mrrr: these captured group are almost of the size of moyo
]
(;B[eh]
(;W[ff]
(;B[ej]
(;W[gj]
C[Mrrr: fish is in the net
]
(;B[ek]
C[lorro: dragon fish
]
(;W[gl]
(;B[ck]
C[Mrrr: :)
]
(;W[bj]
(;B[cl]
(;W[bk]
C[G-Slayer: This group is hard to survive ..
Mrrr: no eye
]
(;B[em]
(;W[fo]
C[Mrrr: its only chance is to go out hrough the net
]
(;B[gm]
(;W[fm]
C[Welvang: test
]
(;B[fl]
(;W[fk]
(;B[el]
(;W[hm]
(;B[gn]
(;W[go]
(;B[hn]
(;W[in]
(;B[ho]
(;W[hp]
(;B[io]
(;W[ip]
(;B[jo]
C[jillgoodgal: the broken ladder play
]
(;W[ir]
(;B[gi]
C[G-Slayer: i dont understand why?
]
(;W[hi]
C[Mrrr: to make sure lower white group is alive?
]
(;B[hh]
C[Welvang: test
G-Slayer: thx 
jillgoodgal: looks like more liberties to me
]
(;W[gh]
(;B[fi]
(;W[ii]
(;B[ac]
(;W[ae]
(;B[ji]
(;W[ik]
(;B[jh]
(;W[jj]
(;B[ki]
(;W[kj]
C[ronin3: what is the score at the moment?
]
(;B[li]
C[arseniypotter: Go Go Go Go Go Go Go Go Go Go Go
]
(;W[kl]
(;B[hl]
(;W[gk]
C[jillgoodgal: I was going to say, without reduction that black lower right is 80+
]
(;B[im]
C[hexahedron: \[object Object\]
]
(;W[hk]
(;B[jl]
(;W[lk]
(;B[lm]
(;W[ih]
(;B[hg]
(;W[ig]
(;B[hf]
C[ronin3: oh :O
Mrrr: fish happy is in the lake :-)
]
(;W[pq]
(;B[qq]
C[G-Slayer: just awesome
]
(;W[pp]
C[jillgoodgal: long dragons never die!
ronin3: indeed
G-Slayer: ااا غثس
G-Slayer: yes
]
(;B[jr]
C[hexahedron: game suddenly close
]
(;W[iq]
C[Mrrr: i think white has to live inside, but i did not count
Mrrr: just feeling
]
(;B[pr]
C[G-Slayer: What do you mean closed؟
]
(;W[or]
(;B[qr]
(;W[nj]
(;B[en]
C[ronin3: i bet B O9 and close the door
]
(;W[eo]
(;B[nl]
C[ronin3: \\o/
ronin3: almost
]
(;W[ml]
(;B[nk]
C[G-Slayer: test
]
(;W[mk]
C[Jhyn: If move 184 at N9, how does black survive?
]
(;B[oh]
(;W[nh]
C[hexahedron: Black doesn't, but white was going for more
]
(;B[ng]
(;W[ph]
C[ronin3: black doesn't. the idea is that the lower right is enough
ronin3: hex beat me on time :)
]
(;B[is]
C[Mrrr: this ko is no small
]
(;W[qi]
(;B[hr]
C[jillgoodgal: no ko now
]
(;W[cr]
C[hexahedron: wow what a trade
]
(;B[br]
C[Mrrr: yeah
]
(;W[bs]
(;B[fr]
C[Mrrr: black was very patient in this game
]
(;W[bq]
C[Mrrr: i mean i would resign long time ago :)
]
(;B[ar]
(;W[aq]
(;B[dr]
(;W[as]
(;B[dq]
C[Mrrr: another ko?
]
(;W[ep]
(;B[ds]
C[hexahedron: I guess not...?
Mrrr: no need apparently 
]
(;W[bp]
C[Mrrr: so...
]
(;B[co]
(;W[es]
(;B[cs]
C[Mrrr: it is about the same 
Sampi: what a fight, i really like how w took profit
]
(;W[gr]
(;B[fs]
C[Mrrr: if black kills this group it looks similar when it come to points
afewgoodguy: i don't get it why black not play d7
]
(;W[jp]
C[G-Slayer: another ko ?
]
(;B[kp]
(;W[hq]
(;B[hs]
(;W[gp]
(;B[gs]
C[Sampi: \[object Object\]
]
(;W[kq]
(;B[kr]
C[Sampi: K1?
]
(;W[lq]
C[Sampi: oh not enough liberties
Sampi: i think w is just dead :(
]
(;B[gq]
C[afewgoodguy: i think he know it
]
(;W[js]
(;B[ks]
C[Jhyn: he can live at the bottom maybe
afewgoodguy: but he might do something else
]
(;W[ko]
(;B[lp]
(;W[mp]
(;B[lo]
(;W[mo]
(;B[ln]
(;W[lr]
(;B[dm]
(;W[nq]
(;B[no]
(;W[mn]
C[Sampi: well w got a lot of profit on the top right so im not sure who is ahead
ronin3: poor w, couldn't help but root for w in this game
]
(;B[po]
C[Sampi: ronin, w might win
hexahedron: KG: w 20 points ahead (but the last 50 moves it has been swinging like crazy given the game moves)
Sampi: the upper left is also dead
]
(;W[oo]
C[Jhyn: whoever manages to count in 30 second byo yomi is pro
Sampi: we all get a feeling
]
(;B[nn]
C[Sampi: pros just have better feeling :)
Jhyn: no feeling at all for me, too many dead groups
]
(;W[pn]
(;B[qo]
(;W[mm]
C[Sampi: just put your hand over the top right
hexahedron: andrii live review on twitch has good feeling :)
Sampi: compare it to the bottom left
]
(;B[nm]
(;W[rk]
(;B[rl]
(;W[sl]
(;B[qk]
C[jillgoodgal: lots and lots of prisoners
]
(;W[rj]
(;B[sm]
(;W[sk]
(;B[rm]
(;W[ib]
C[jillgoodgal: reduced the lower right, lost the lower left
]
(;B[gb]
C[Mrrr: really nice fight
Mrrr: these guys know how to play this game :)
]
(;W[ca]
(;B[qj]
(;W[ri]
(;B[da]
(;W[ga]
C[Mrrr: three ko?
Sampi: hmm triple ko
Jhyn: isn't it double ko? what am I missing?
Mrrr: wow 
]
(;B[ha]
C[Sampi: we would say black is dead in double ko on the top left
]
(;W[ia]
C[Mrrr: black is dead in the corner
Sampi: but maybe white has to remove ko threats
Sampi: or avoid a ko somewhere else
]
(;B[op]
C[Mrrr: there is just one ko 
]
(;W[ls]
(;B[cn]
(;W[oq]
(;B[cj]
(;W[ci]
(;B[al]
(;W[km]
(;B[ak]
C[jillgoodgal: I like this, forget swapping ko, just play the threats!
]
(;W[aj]
(;B[am]
(;W[bi]
(;B[kn]
(;W[il]
(;B[jm]
(;W[hd]
C[gaspard.buton95: by how much do you think W is winning ?
]
(;B[ge]
C[jillgoodgal: that lake has a river to the ocean
]
(;W[ps]
(;B[qs]
C[Sampi: it seems very close
]
(;W[os]
(;B[pk]
(;W[pi]
(;B[dk]
(;W[ca]
(;B[ec]
(;W[bb]
C[Avtikh: thanks
Welvang: thanks !
Welvang: Such a mess
Welvang: Throw it in the middle
Avtikh: wait
Welvang: I guess Leela's graph must be Rollercoster 
Avtikh: n19 is something
Welvang: lol
Avtikh: gg
Welvang: I saw it and then you didn't play so I continued
Welvang: I thought it didnt work
Welvang: ^^
Avtikh: I didnt deserve to win this one anyway =)
Welvang: I hope we didn't kill Lenny
Welvang: It's almost Kenny
hexahedron: \[object Object\]
Mrrr: great fight
Sampi: \[object Object\]
jillgoodgal: that was incredible!
Mrrr: thank you for the show :)_
G-Slayer: thx 
Mrrr: so even now resignation was premature
Mrrr: ?
Mrrr: :)
Ginkou: Apparently N19 was indeed a game winning move
Sampi: no, kata thinks w is still ahead even with n19
Sampi: or maybe the graph is off, i dont know :)
hexahedron: sampi - don't trust the OGS graph
jillgoodgal: Andrii has that variation out to move 296
hexahedron: running locally on my machine kata is 99.8% black with N19 (OGS graph uses *very* low playouts, plus a quite old and much weaker version of KG)
Sampi: i see, thanks hexahedron 
jillgoodgal: so when does the next game start?
Strut Swan: https://online-go.com/game/23601625
jillgoodgal: very shortly since the board is already up
]
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