(;FF[4]
CA[UTF-8]
GM[1]
DT[2020-03-28]
PC[OGS: https://online-go.com/game/22668514]
GN[European Professional Online Go League]
PB[Palko]
PW[Welvang]
BR[?]
WR[5d]
TM[600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
RE[B+R]
SZ[19]
KM[6.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[Palko: have a nice game!
roln90: \[object Object\]
Jhyn: Who is Palko?
tpnZbonek: Pavol Lysy 2p from slovakia
Jhyn: Thanks, eager to see that
Jhyn: What is the event?
S_Alexander: Jhyn: it's in the game name, https://online-go.com/game/22668514
S_Alexander: European Professional Online Go League
S_Alexander: hm, copying doesn't work sometimes on ogs, is it only for me?
jillgoodgal: what did you copy?
Jhyn: Never opened this menu <_>
Jhyn: Go Welvang, allez là
]
;B[pd]
(;W[dp]
(;B[pq]
C[Welvang: have a nice game :)
]
(;W[dd]
C[S_Alexander: Shikshin is commenting https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
]
(;B[cq]
(;W[dq]
C[mark5000: Flying knife?
]
(;B[cp]
(;W[do]
(;B[bn]
(;W[qo]
C[mark5000: Welvang declined. This pleases me.
]
(;B[op]
(;W[ql]
(;B[iq]
C[mark5000: https://forums.online-go.com/t/go-memes/4337/1246
]
(;W[nc]
(;B[qf]
(;W[cr]
C[Daniug: \[object Object\]
]
(;B[br]
(;W[bo]
(;B[dr]
(;W[co]
(;B[cj]
C[Jhyn: I just noticed roln is 10d
Jhyn: pronounced "judan"
]
(;W[cl]
(;B[cg]
C[S_Alexander: when you start a review ogs shows wrong rank in chat
S_Alexander: it's been like that forever aka from the introducing glicks
Jhyn: well in Japan "Judan" is one of the top pros so it's not wrong
Jhyn: "European judan"
]
(;W[ck]
(;B[dj]
(;W[ce]
C[jillgoodgal: short kick
]
(;B[lc]
(;W[pc]
(;B[qc]
(;W[qb]
(;B[rc]
(;W[od]
(;B[pb]
(;W[oc]
(;B[rb]
(;W[jc]
(;B[le]
(;W[og]
(;B[eb]
(;W[fc]
(;B[fb]
(;W[gc]
(;B[ec]
(;W[ed]
(;B[bc]
(;W[mg]
(;B[jd]
(;W[ic]
(;B[lg]
(;W[lh]
(;B[kg]
(;W[mf]
C[Uberdude: interseting n14 was vital point for b too
]
(;B[kh]
C[Free Tibet: Q12 for b
]
(;W[fh]
(;B[fj]
(;W[hi]
(;B[li]
(;W[mh]
(;B[gf]
(;W[if]
(;B[ig]
(;W[hg]
(;B[hf]
(;W[ie]
(;B[ef]
(;W[ih]
(;B[jg]
(;W[kd]
(;B[gg]
(;W[hh]
(;B[kj]
C[prosody: allez tanguy!
]
(;W[hk]
C[Uberdude: g12 is so big
ovendenfrancis: \[object Object\]
Uberdude: why w didnt bamboo
]
(;B[je]
C[FahadAhmed: B can cap em
]
(;W[ld]
(;B[fd]
C[jillgoodgal: never peep when you can cut!
]
(;W[fe]
(;B[gd]
C[Daniug: end
]
(;W[hd]
(;B[ge]
(;W[dg]
(;B[eg]
(;W[cc]
(;B[cb]
(;W[bb]
(;B[dc]
C[Counting Zenist: ko
]
(;W[bd]
(;B[cd]
(;W[ji]
(;B[ki]
(;W[cc]
(;B[kc]
(;W[md]
(;B[cd]
(;W[eh]
C[S_Alexander: always ko for everything
]
(;B[df]
(;W[cc]
(;B[gb]
(;W[ac]
C[Uberdude: capture the cutting stones!
]
(;B[id]
(;W[ke]
(;B[jf]
C[S_Alexander: black seems too good here
]
(;W[kb]
(;B[hc]
C[Uberdude: yeah pavol good at blitz fighting
]
(;W[fq]
C[rere3: Will there be katago analysis?
rere3: Hi Uberdude! Thanks for all the help you give on reddit
]
(;B[io]
C[Starline: we should convince the mods to give free full strength katago analysis
kjhvs22: what is a p?
kjhvs22: are these guys pros?
Starline: pro
rere3: A professional player, yep
rere3: European pros
Starline: the highest rank, above dan
]
(;W[jn]
C[Starline: I think it's short for ping
rere3: K6! wtf?
]
(;B[il]
C[Starline: don't question the 1p
Starline: I've learned
]
(;W[in]
C[rere3: Of course it's the right move, just crazy!
]
(;B[hl]
C[jillgoodgal: solid when a pro does it
]
(;W[ek]
(;B[dk]
C[kjhvs22: its been a long time since i saw a non-asian pros
]
(;W[fk]
C[explo: you took a break from go?
]
(;B[dl]
(;W[cm]
(;B[gl]
C[kjhvs22: no but im a korean so i dont really see european players play
]
(;W[gk]
(;B[dm]
C[explo: I see
]
(;W[jk]
(;B[jo]
C[bluedragon: may be L7
jillgoodgal: I bet AI loves J10 for black here
]
(;W[jl]
(;B[kn]
C[rere3: Why is Andy Liu the only western pro on goratings.org?
]
(;W[km]
C[rere3: http://www.goratings.org
Uberdude: rere3, he's not
]
(;B[go]
C[hyperpape: That said, it will only show players who have games recorded in the past year or two in the go4go database, so not all of them will show
]
(;W[bq]
C[Uberdude: ilya, pavol, mateusz all there
]
(;B[cs]
(;W[bp]
C[hyperpape: But also, the western players' ratings are all over the place, because they don't have enough games against Asian players to have really accurate numbers. 
]
(;B[cn]
(;W[gr]
(;B[ln]
C[kjhvs22: black looks promising
Cheese and Clackers: why don't they play asian players?
]
(;W[hn]
C[Uberdude: they do occasionally
CosmicMoon: E2 feek bad aji for white
Uberdude: eg chinese c league
liso77: https://www.eurogofed.org/index.html?id=291
]
(;B[gp]
(;W[fm]
(;B[er]
C[kjhvs22: i guess this one is done
]
(;W[dn]
C[Quibono: So for a 23 kyu, is either one ahead?
]
(;B[fl]
C[Cheese and Clackers: black has a lot more solid points
]
(;W[bj]
(;B[bi]
(;W[ak]
C[CosmicMoon: dont understand why not E2 instead of G2
]
(;B[gn]
C[rere3: @Quibono I don't think anybody below 4d can tell
]
(;W[gm]
C[Uberdude: try to kill bigger
Uberdude: if e2 then black g2 threaten ko
Quibono: @rere3 it's funny using the territory analysis function because it basically says "Uhhhh, there is no territory"
]
(;B[el]
(;W[en]
C[CosmicMoon: count is easy
5ca43239314042ee: j9
]
(;B[ik]
(;W[jj]
C[jillgoodgal: black pretty good territory on top
]
(;B[fr]
(;W[gq]
(;B[eq]
C[CosmicMoon: b can kill white now at the middle
kjhvs22: 2A and its over i guess
]
(;W[fp]
C[CosmicMoon: coz of FF6 sente
]
(;B[aq]
C[5ca43239314042ee: can cut h7?
CosmicMoon: F6 hurts more
CosmicMoon: same idea
]
(;W[ej]
C[5ca43239314042ee: :D
]
(;B[dh]
C[Quibono: Is it too slow for white to play C2?
Quibono: Doesn't that kill his corner?
Cheese and Clackers: its small
Cheese and Clackers: no
kjhvs22: .....
hyperpape: C2 is just a ko-threat or 1 point
]
(;W[kq]
C[hyperpape: Black just recaptures
hyperpape: Important shape to be able to see :)
]
(;B[jq]
C[Cheese and Clackers: for sure
gosu_gosu: hi, who's winning?
Cheese and Clackers: not obvious to a 20k
]
(;W[kr]
C[Lolita: r12
]
(;B[jr]
C[Cheese and Clackers: Ive solved a l&d problem that looks almost exactly like that 100 times or so
]
(;W[mo]
C[Counting Zenist: you can watch the commentary stream 
Counting Zenist: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation
5ca43239314042ee: l5
5ca43239314042ee: w cut?
]
(;B[mp]
C[Quibono: I can see the recapture, just not what happens if white tries to fill in the ko.
Cheese and Clackers: there is no ko
Cheese and Clackers: black fills and its over
]
(;W[qq]
C[gosu_gosu: what was L2 for?
jillgoodgal: white plays C4 then black fills in in that case
]
(;B[qr]
C[gosu_gosu: I guess time suji
gosu_gosu: or whatever it's called?
]
(;W[lp]
C[Uberdude: l2 threatens to connect with monkey on 1st line
]
(;B[lo]
(;W[np]
(;B[mq]
C[gosu_gosu: thanks
gosu_gosu: black forgot to make territory this game
]
(;W[nq]
(;B[no]
C[Cheese and Clackers: https://tsumego-hero.com/tsumegos/play/2022 here you go quibono
]
(;W[mn]
C[kjhvs22: ㅐ
kjhvs22: ooh
]
(;B[nn]
C[kjhvs22: doesnt look good for white ..
]
(;W[mm]
(;B[nr]
(;W[lm]
(;B[ko]
(;W[rq]
(;B[lb]
C[Cheese and Clackers: yes b looks way ahead now
5ca43239314042ee: s3 ? 
]
(;W[qh]
C[prosody: b+13.5
]
(;B[nj]
C[prosody: I didn't count, that was a random number
]
(;W[ib]
(;B[ja]
(;W[rr]
C[evilcat: is it the first game today ?
]
(;B[qj]
C[Darkhan: yes
Cheese and Clackers: https://tsumego-hero.com/tsumegos/play/2047 this as well quibono
]
(;W[oj]
(;B[pi]
(;W[qg]
(;B[oi]
C[Palko: thank you
Welvang: thanks
Welvang: Top was too much
Welvang: I'm already late for chuban :/
kjhvs22: gg now
Cheese and Clackers: good call
Cheese and Clackers: gg
SimeonG: gg
prosody: GG
S_Alexander: gg
snakesss: we wanna see you more on ogs \\o/ - thanks
Cheese and Clackers: yes thanks for playing this here!
jillgoodgal: it was very exciting
Cheese and Clackers: good show!
mark5000: Good game
Here We Go: gg
jillgoodgal: thanks much to the reviewers as well
]
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