(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[EGF ProQuali - Podpera(b) - Grigoriu(w)]PW[Elian Ioan Grigoriu]PB[Lukas Podpera]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2023-02-25]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Adin [1k\]: hello, does only one player become pro at the end?
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;B[dc]
;W[pp]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[cf]
;W[od]
;B[oc]
;W[pd]
;B[pc]
;W[qe]
;B[rd]
;W[nd]
;B[nc]
;W[md]
;B[mc]
;W[ld]C[EGF1 [-\]: hello, yes only 1 person becomes a pro player
toctoc [4k\]: R10 ?
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;B[qq]C[segev [1d\]: r10 will be tight in middle better attack corner
toctoc [4k\]: ok thx
segev [1d\]: i thought r6-r7 but corner also approch
Adin [1k\]: just one hour not a lot aof time for a matches to decide pros
]
;W[pq]
;B[qp]
;W[po]
;B[rn]
;W[df]C[scurge [?\]: Video from playing site: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mbGlFeY2M
ben0 [7d\]: Lukan in a suit?
Liso66 [?\]: just wanted to ask it too :) 
SIpanda [-\]: as usual :)
Refresh [5d\]: hi what competition is this?
segev [1d\]: pro quilification
Refresh [5d\]: oic, thanks
Refresh [5d\]: why are there only 8 players participating this time?
]
;B[de]C[Refresh [5d\]: wasnt it 16 players the last pro qual
pdukas: https://www.eurogofed.org/index.html?id=370
Gor [3d\]: Only 8 players wanted to take part
tjba [2d\]: when did the qua start and when will it end？
]
;W[cg]
;B[dg]
;W[ef]
;B[eg]C[dronin [1k?\]: Will it ever end?
EGF1 [-\]: this is first round of bo3 series, 4 people will go on to the finals in 2 weeks
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;W[ce]
;B[bf]C[Gor [3d\]: all the games will be held in prague?
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;W[ff]
;B[be]C[EGF1 [-\]: in Mokra-Horakov near Brno
adrirengo [2d\]: any live comment during the game on twich or ?
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;W[cd]
;B[dd]
;W[bg]
;B[bd]C[Liso66 [?\]: https://www.twitch.tv/europeangofederation/
dronin [1k?\]: I would be so uncomfortable in this w position
adrirengo [2d\]: thx liso
segev [1d\]: i remembered another variation when c12 get played
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;W[fg]
;B[ei]
;W[cj]
;B[fh]C[cezary [5d\]: all the best to Lukan
samoht [?\]: Elian!
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;W[dk]C[cezary [5d\]: all the best to Elian, but he loses this one
cezary [5d\]: extremely interesting position though
wolokom [4k\]: i still like b
wolokom [4k\]: but b has to do arround e/f/
wolokom [4k\]: and  r7 
segev [1d\]: still goy sente top play on top
wolokom [4k\]: but too high level
wolokom [4k\]: for me
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;B[hh]
;W[hf]
;B[jh]
;W[gc]
;B[fq]
;W[eq]
;B[fp]
;W[dn]
;B[jp]
;W[qr]
;B[rr]
;W[ro]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]C[sinnae: Are there any female players in this tournament?
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;B[pn]
;W[qm]
;B[rp]C[Fanshawe [?\]: currently Europe doesn't have any female players strong enough to have a shot, does it?
sinnae: Thanks.
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;W[rm]
;B[on]
;W[or]
;B[qs]
;W[lq]C[indianayk [3d\]: Ben0,why didn't you join yje tourney?
indianayk [3d\]: the
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;B[lo]C[sinnae: Is Fredda playing?
ben0 [7d\]: because I don't want to
sinnae: good answer
]
;W[ol]C[sinnae: 평양 감사도 저 싫으면 그만.
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;B[np]
;W[nq]
;B[pr]
;W[jq]
;B[iq]
;W[kp]
;B[ko]
;W[ir]
;B[ip]
;W[hr]
;B[qk]
;W[qj]C[wolokom [4k\]: time?
EGF1 [-\]: w 36 min, b 39 min
EGF1 [-\]: fisher +30 s per move
wolokom [4k\]: 70 min long time
wolokom [4k\]: s 15 soon i think
]
;B[pk]
;W[rk]
;B[pj]
;W[ri]
;B[qi]
;W[rj]
;B[pm]C[bartosz [4d\]: What is Elian's KGS nick (if there is any)?
sai1732 [7d\]: GoFree1
bartosz [4d\]: thanks
]
;W[gm]
;B[im]C[cezary [5d\]: uuu Lukan says game over
Fanshawe [?\]: B does seem better here
wolokom [4k\]: and b winn?
cezary [5d\]: yup yup
cezary [5d\]: rightfully so :)
marburg23: c3 lives?
Fanshawe [?\]: (probably not quite game over yet, is it?)
czgoplayer [1d\]: still so many aji Ig
czgoplayer [1d\]: But looks good for b
wolokom [4k\]: and dose the Player know this?
cezary [5d\]: definitely the riddle is on white's plate rather than on black's
czgoplayer [1d\]: :D
bartosz [4d\]: difficult to see a plan for white
marburg23: AI was B at 54% victory - i.e. game very much on
bartosz [4d\]: wow really
czgoplayer [1d\]: White has not little territory
marburg23: AI says m17 only move
czgoplayer [1d\]: yes :D
wolokom [4k\]: my move was m 10 this is fine but q10 -10 
czgoplayer [1d\]: huge one
cezary [5d\]: yeah also checked the game with ai
cezary [5d\]: surprisingly dead even :D
]
;W[ki]C[czgoplayer [1d\]: ahh
tasuki [-\]: See photos at https://gallery.tasuki.org/2023/02-pro-qua
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;B[kh]C[marburg23: KGS AI points to c3 invasion here
cezary [5d\]: how do you make it that Martin looks younger in these photos than 10 years ago
segev [1d\]: yea now that w invade g7 c3 seem reasonable
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;W[mi]C[segev [1d\]: but not that urgent
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;B[je]C[segev [1d\]: w hardly to make any move there soon
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;W[jc]C[wolokom [4k\]: angry by both
segev [1d\]: also better collect ko threats c3 can end in ko
czgoplayer [1d\]: I think c3 is not so urgent now
marburg23: > w hardly to make any move there soon ... but still #1 by significant margin on KGS AI
segev [1d\]: it isnt
segev [1d\]: ai mostly make it as a move to tenuki after and use it in time
segev [1d\]: i think when b will see something that hard to make he will make c3
wolokom [4k\]: but now mistakes very easy and the game is over
marburg23: IMO KGS AI smells points in sente.
marburg23: But true, white's recommended moves didn't include one in that corner, so I wonder why computer pegs it as urgent
segev [1d\]: i told you, comp use it as play to teturn after because after c3 w hardly to make two moves straight if you know what you doing
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;B[mg]C[segev [1d\]: but well human can overplay :)
Lister [5k\]: whats players time?
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;W[nh]C[EGF1 [-\]: w 17 min, b 27 min
Lister [5k\]: thx
ben0 [7d\]: oh shit I didnt know that Elian went full K-pop haircut style
ben0 [7d\]: or Draco Malfoy with the black suit actually
czgoplayer [1d\]: :D
segev [1d\]: b should connect or try cut?
]
;B[ph]C[wolokom [4k\]: cut
wolokom [4k\]: for us
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;W[ng]
;B[cq]C[marburg23: honte
segev [1d\]: c3 swithout connect, that should be intresting
megaschaf [1k\]: Hi segev :)
segev [1d\]: mega :)
marburg23: c4 and d2 are the two local replies, but AI suggests j13 tenuki is nearly as good. Is white in a mood to stir the pot?
segev [1d\]: well i highly doubt b will sacrafice h12 group
segev [1d\]: seem to me like a lot of ko threat for w, maybe j13 effcient to play before the ko
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;W[jj]C[segev [1d\]: wonder what b saw to pass this connecion
marburg23: C4 & E2 are moves #2 & 3 for the AI, which recommends Black J16
segev [1d\]: oh if ai see way to cut effciently top it can be good
segev [1d\]: maybe j16 j17 g15 
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;B[jd]
;W[ic]
;B[he]
;W[ge]C[EGF1 [-\]: w 5 min, b 13 min
segev [1d\]: b in trouble
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;B[ek]C[marburg23: Game now leaning towards white
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;W[el]
;B[ci]
;W[bi]
;B[dj]
;W[ck]
;B[bo]C[bartosz [4d\]: really?
segev [1d\]: taking the points difference in the game i think he must
Gor [3d\]: i dont see how white wins this unless he kills something
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;W[cp]
;B[bp]
;W[cr]C[marburg23: Was w+63%, but computer didn't like B5 at all
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;B[br]C[marburg23: Now has w>90%
segev [1d\]: yea now that b have corner withot ko w must kill h12
bartosz [4d\]: i wonder what am I missing then
marburg23: Maybe the easy kill of h12... like the rest of us sub 9ds
segev [1d\]: well for ai its probably easy to kill h12
bartosz [4d\]: Usually AI is good at living with groups, not at killing
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;W[fk]C[marburg23: j13 likely first move against h12
bartosz [4d\]: Hm when I counted the score Im surprised how good white stands
bartosz [4d\]: Seemed black has all the points
segev [1d\]: if he live yup
segev [1d\]: but beware that big excnhges can be made on the way
]
;B[hd]C[segev [1d\]: q8 still intact
marburg23: Computer still favors D2 here, but h16 was also v. high
marburg23: w has no time to j13 now, must defend these two cutpoints
megaschaf [1k\]: How ? F18 ?
]
;W[fb]
;B[if]C[segev [1d\]: :)
marburg23: Yeah
]
;W[hg]
;B[ig]
;W[ii]
;B[ih]C[bartosz [4d\]: I dont get why to exchange h16 for f18, is it rerally good for black?
marburg23: which shouls still take d2 in sente, saya AI
]
;W[dr]
;B[bm]C[segev [1d\]: i think l17 cut if cutted with sente can be a killing on j17 maybe thats why the excnhge
EGF1 [-\]: w 1 min b 14 min
segev [1d\]: kind of eye shape for b
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;W[nm]C[marburg23: W was above 95%, but just fell to 87%
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;B[pl]C[marburg23: The AI was recommending a move it wanted earlier, presumably a probe, at k6!
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;W[qg]C[marburg23: But before that, it recommends to take c6, since that's sente
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;B[ml]
;W[km]
;B[kl]
;W[jl]
;B[jm]
;W[gi]
;B[gh]
;W[gd]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: oh man AI going crazy lmao
segev [1d\]: complex game
marburg23: KGS AI still suggests c6
segev [1d\]: i think b should worry about his eye shape
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;B[ej]
;W[ll]
;B[kk]C[bartosz [4d\]: what is AI's point score?
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;W[lm]C[segev [1d\]: in ai kgs b just got back the lead a slight
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;B[lk]
;W[mk]C[marburg23: W+2.7, a.k.a. 66%
bartosz [4d\]: taking into account Lukan's yose it will probably be 0,5 pointer :)
marburg23: But the points score doesn't mean much to me with such big fights ongoing
bartosz [4d\]: seems more like yose than big fight
segev [1d\]: i think it possblie to take liberty with l9 and than cut with o9
bartosz [4d\]: all groups are settled
segev [1d\]: ah no not good
marburg23: Does B live unconditionally after c6 B6 b1?
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;B[jk]C[segev [1d\]: yea
Tangjie [1d?\]: @marburg23 black has b9 and b8
]
;W[il]C[segev [1d\]: oh i hope it doesnt take my idea :)
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;B[ik]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: oof
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;W[hl]C[marburg23: w 80%
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;B[ji]C[segev [1d\]: bottom group?, ai kgs just spiked for w
]
;W[nk]C[hvk [3d?\]: W+2/5 ?
Ravendark [1d\]: x+r
hvk [3d?\]: W+2.5 80%?
gotedeath [2d?\]: Is KGS still the most popular server outside Asia these days? Seems like far fewer people than a few years ago.
]
;B[mp]
;W[oq]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: no, even within the western communities Fox/tygem is still the most popular among high dans
sheeryjay [?\]: KGS is kind of fighting with OGS for users. Many players also probably gave up and started playing on eastern servers
]
;B[kn]
;W[mn]
;B[kr]
;W[kq]
;B[oo]C[indianayk [3d\]: it's possible as far as I know that KGS is the only server that allows AI to play
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;W[go]
;B[mq]
;W[mr]C[bartosz [4d\]: is black alive here?
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;B[lr]
;W[jr]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: no black is not alive
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;B[nr]C[sai1732 [7d\]: Ko
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;W[ns]
;B[os]
;W[ps]C[Ravendark [1d\]: painful
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;B[ln]C[gotedeath [2d?\]: thanks for replies. A bit sad, cos the community on KGS was always much more connected than on Fox/Tygem etc. Ofc, much easier to get games on those servers once you're 3/4d+
]
;W[mm]
;B[os]C[mihi [5d\]: I think w rushed with G5, black was not alive if he avoided the ko
Rav3n [7d\]: still a community here
Rav3n [7d\]: just nowhere near as big/active
gotedeath [2d?\]: I tried out OGS recently to see how it is. But seems less chat than KGS :-)
]
;W[ca]C[Gor [3d\]: kgs is still better than ogs if you are high kyu or stronger
Rav3n [7d\]: agreed gor
Gor [3d\]: but its much harder to find games
Rav3n [7d\]: also better for demos and teaching
Tangjie [1d?\]: ah if its the socializing you need to join the communities on discord
Gor [3d\]: i want to kibitz during the game :)
segev [1d\]: c19 kill or ko kill?
gotedeath [2d?\]: shouldn't be any L+D problems here
sheeryjay [?\]: @indianayk that's not correct, I often see katago playing on Panda/IGS, i think I saw something that looked suspiciously like several bot accounts on WBaduk as well
segev [1d\]: i remember a tsumego with c19 dont know
ben0 [7d\]: feels like a ko
Tangjie [1d?\]: there are lots of bots online, just get to a high dan level. your lack of bot issues are solved LUL
segev [1d\]: yea
]
;B[ps]C[ben0 [7d\]: or w can just get the d17 stones
Tangjie [1d?\]: this doesnt look like ko
Tangjie [1d?\]: just b19?
Tangjie [1d?\]: b18*
ben0 [7d\]: c18
]
;W[cb]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: can just extend b18, c18, d19 and there are miai to kill
sai1732 [7d\]: This game went exactly how we predicted
ben0 [7d\]: after d19 then b17
indianayk [3d\]: I am regularly on Panda/IGS, but never noticed
Tangjie [1d?\]: actually there might be a ko still
hvk [3d?\]: w+r?
Tangjie [1d?\]: with the throw in at b19
hvk [3d?\]: ?
ben0 [7d\]: as I wrote, b18 was ko, c18 is alive with a sacrifice
Tangjie [1d?\]: what sacrafice?
ben0 [7d\]: you play b18 now
Tangjie [1d?\]: can't black still just take
Tangjie [1d?\]: c17
czgoplayer [1d\]: no
bartosz [4d\]: how much time left?
ben0 [7d\]: then emptry triangle
Ravendark [1d\]: c17 b18
]
;B[cc]C[czgoplayer [1d\]: oh
EGF1 [-\]: w 3 min, b 2 min
ben0 [7d\]: however a14 is a funky ko
bartosz [4d\]: thx egf
]
;W[bb]C[hvk [3d?\]: 18B?
ben0 [7d\]: but huge risk for b
nahual [1k\]: b dead 
Tangjie [1d?\]: e19 e18 d18 d19 a18 ?
Rav3n [7d\]: a14 a16 b12 c12 d12 is the plan?
hvk [3d?\]: KO
hvk [3d?\]: 12B
ben0 [7d\]: a18 b17
ben0 [7d\]: a17 also works
]
;B[bh]C[gotedeath [2d?\]: a14 a16 b12 
]
;W[ch]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: hmm
ben0 [7d\]: any, ko is not here, ko is with that yeah
]
;B[dh]
;W[di]C[segev [1d\]: oh now i get it, complex
]
;B[eb]C[hvk [3d?\]: 1S
ben0 [7d\]: but then b dies on the left so it is anyway gg
]
;W[ea]C[ben0 [7d\]: if elian saw it
Gor [3d\]: is it best of 3 or single game?
]
;B[ci]C[czgoplayer [1d\]: bo3
Ravendark [1d\]: bo3
Ravendark [1d\]: ben, wasn't b dead on left no matther what?
]
;W[rs]
;B[ss]
;W[di]
;B[db]C[Ravendark [1d\]: tanguy and andrii argued that c6 killed
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;W[da]
;B[ci]
;W[ks]
;B[op]C[ben0 [7d\]: it was but b had some aji left with b10
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;W[di]C[ben0 [7d\]: now it would be a very clean kill
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;B[fc]
;W[fd]
;B[ci]
;W[ls]
;B[nr]
;W[di]
;B[gb]
;W[ec]
;B[ci]C[segev [1d\]: w so much optionss to kill
]
;W[ah]
;B[af]
;W[ad]
;B[ag]
;W[di]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: Black can come back in this ko
Tangjie [1d?\]: white could potentially lose alot
Rav3n [7d\]: way to hard no? black still needs c6. 
Ravendark [1d\]: only if b ignores a ko threat
Tangjie [1d?\]: c6 doesn't matter if black connects to the center group
Tangjie [1d?\]: but he needs a ko threat her to do anyhting 
Ravendark [1d\]: and b needs to use big threats, simply living gives up a lot if w captures the stones
]
;B[bc]C[Ravendark [1d\]: like this
Tangjie [1d?\]: welp nvm
czgoplayer [1d\]: :D
Tangjie [1d?\]: just take and proceed to kill try and kill the center, and then the bottom left :P
]
;W[ac]
;B[ci]
;W[mo]C[Ravendark [1d\]: a17 feels like unnecessary risk
Rav3n [7d\]: can black afford to answer this?
Tangjie [1d?\]: nope
Ravendark [1d\]: this trade looks interesting
Rav3n [7d\]: is m4 d11 f19 enough for black?
Ravendark [1d\]: crazy, but interesting
Rav3n [7d\]: hm
raphsuntei [1k?\]: he kept that ko threat for exactly this moment
]
;B[lp]
;W[di]C[Rav3n [7d\]: white already answered b17 so psychology might indicate white isl ikely to answer f19 also
Ravendark [1d\]: b still has f19 local
indianayk [3d\]: Both players apparently don't see c6 kill
Tangjie [1d?\]: blacks only choice is f19 but white takes if black does that
Ravendark [1d\]: tho uit's a worse ko
gotedeath [2d?\]: is h18 a threat?
]
;B[fa]C[gotedeath [2d?\]: oh ofc not
]
;W[ga]
;B[ci]C[raphsuntei [1k?\]: b12 also possible
Tangjie [1d?\]: what?
raphsuntei [1k?\]: dont see any other threats?
Kazolo [5d\]: white can connect once
Ravendark [1d\]: make it even heavier :D
]
;W[cn]C[Ravendark [1d\]: oh
raphsuntei [1k?\]: is that big enough?
Ravendark [1d\]: ignore this for sure
raphsuntei [1k?\]: ohh
Rav3n [7d\]: probably
Ravendark [1d\]: no
gotedeath [2d?\]: end ko
Rav3n [7d\]: black has to end ko now
Fanshawe [?\]: doesn't look comparable to the ko
raphsuntei [1k?\]: y
Rav3n [7d\]: but white should be up still
raphsuntei [1k?\]: i would have thought w b12
gotedeath [2d?\]: if you answer this then there are 10 more threats
Fanshawe [?\]: why not bq2, I wonder?
Fanshawe [?\]: *b12
Rav3n [7d\]: b12 would be expected
]
;B[bh]C[raphsuntei [1k?\]: ouch
Rav3n [7d\]: b10 b6 b1 a8 working?
Tangjie [1d?\]: white is still up 20ish points. hard for black to make up those points here
marburg23: w99.9%
bartosz [4d\]: wow, felt like black won a lot on these kos
Tangjie [1d?\]: winning the ko is not the same as winning the game
raphsuntei [1k?\]: b did, i feel like w could have threatened whole of blacks center group if he won ko
Tangjie [1d?\]: technically black lost the ko since he can't answer this ko threat
Rav3n [7d\]: white b6 is solid
Rav3n [7d\]: if white b10 seems theres still a lot of aji
Humbled22 [5d\]: has to play b6 here
hvk [3d?\]: 45 W
]
;W[bj]C[Rav3n [7d\]: alright, lets see what lukan can do here
Rav3n [7d\]: b6 b1 a8 b8 a10 a9 b9 
]
;B[em]
;W[dl]C[gotedeath [2d?\]: was a8 a6 possible to avoid that?
]
;B[bn]
;W[bs]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: this looks bad
Rav3n [7d\]: this clamp exchange is bad for the above sequence
]
;B[bl]C[Rav3n [7d\]: if black didnt clamp, there was aji with the cut
gotedeath [2d?\]: I guess with b3 in sent and hence F2 in sente b could aim for semeai
Rav3n [7d\]: there was a lot of aji
indianayk [3d\]: a3 will kill?
]
;W[fr]C[gotedeath [2d?\]: locally a few ways to kill
gotedeath [2d?\]: but outside is problem
]
;B[dm]C[coconut [2k\]: Hello
Rav3n [7d\]: without e7 d8, black had potential connection below along with the outside issues to poke at ><
]
;W[fl]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: now thats a #resign move
coconut [2k\]: Somebody knows the list of the players for this proqualif  ?
]
;B[bq]C[Tangjie [1d?\]: https://eurogofed.org/proqualification/index_2023.html
]
;W[ar]C[coconut [2k\]: Thanks !
]
;B[aq]C[gotedeath [2d?\]: 6 is dead, 8 is alive, 7 depends on sente
]
;W[ao]
;B[cs]
;W[ds]
;B[as]
;W[cs]
;B[ep]
;W[dq]C[coconut [2k\]: Strange : Ben0 is not pretending ?
]
;B[en]C[wusa [5k\]: fredda too
coconut [2k\]: curouis
coconut [2k\]: curious
Elvis [1k\]: h3 
]
;W[cm]
;B[cl]
;W[eo]C[Rav3n [7d\]: h3 is big but still loses
]
;B[fo]
;W[do]
;B[fn]C[Rav3n [7d\]: only real hope is to murder the f9 group to death somehow
]
;W[gp]C[Rav3n [7d\]: but thats a tough mission :/
Rav3n [7d\]: impossible really
simeon12 [8k?\]: why not D5 before F5 for black ?
Elvis [1k\]: i thought wh3 was better than w c7
EGF1 [-\]: w+R
Elvis [1k\]: nice
czgoplayer [1d\]: :(
Rav3n [7d\]: its bo3 yea?
Tangjie [1d?\]: not a great start for Lukan
Rav3n [7d\]: so still chances for Lukan
Tangjie [1d?\]: yes it is
Rav3n [7d\]: Jae
Rav3n [7d\]: was there any merit to black a8 earlier? i couldnt read the whole thing out lol
Tangjie [1d?\]: no idea
Tangjie [1d?\]: didnt read it
Tangjie [1d?\]: as I dont do much of online LUL
Rav3n [7d\]: i cloned
Rav3n [7d\]: if you want to see what i mean
hvk [3d?\]: GG
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