(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[EGF ProQuali - Podpera(w) - Grigoriu(b)]PW[Lukas Podpera]PB[Elian Ioan Grigoriu ]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2023-02-26]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
;B[pp]
;W[qd]
;B[dp]C[scurge [?\]: Youtube stream: https://youtu.be/m2CISD0Uz7Y
]
;W[cd]
;B[ec]C[InDoubt [4d?\]: Lukane, drzim palce.
]
;W[nc]
;B[cf]
;W[de]
;B[df]
;W[fe]
;B[ef]
;W[ee]
;B[hc]
;W[eb]
;B[fb]
;W[db]
;B[kc]
;W[qn]
;B[pd]C[wolokom [4k\]: I would like to know who is Wrihting 
wolokom [4k\]: to say to all thank you
]
;W[pc]
;B[qe]C[EGF1 [-\]: here is Terka :)
]
;W[rd]C[wolokom [4k\]: q 15?
]
;B[ql]C[sum [4d\]: c6 
sum [4d\]: I think r8 smaller
]
;W[qq]
;B[qp]
;W[pq]
;B[op]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[rq]
;B[rn]
;W[nq]
;B[cm]C[sum [4d\]: that B gets c7 does not mean B right play was right  but means that W abandoned sente
sum [4d\]: next move nothing to think about: c3
wolokom [4k\]: and this is great
]
;W[qj]C[sum [4d\]: both really funny, putting importance on light stones r15 q16 
sum [4d\]: they do not deserve pro with such play
]
;B[pe]
;W[re]
;B[qc]
;W[od]C[sum [4d\]: instead of q15 a classic book move was e3 but AI seems to prefer moves like f3 
sum [4d\]: however f14 also good move
wolokom [4k\]: p 15 0r  p 14
]
;B[pb]
;W[oc]
;B[rc]C[sum [4d\]: B making r10 a good stone, omg
]
;W[qf]
;B[pf]
;W[qg]C[bartosz [4d\]: sum, why aren't you playing if they are so weak?
bartosz [4d\]: They could have learned a lot from you
]
;B[pg]C[bartosz [4d\]: Btw Q15 is blue move
bartosz [4d\]: But it's only katago, what does it know
sum [4d\]: that I know one thing or another does not mean being omniscient:)
]
;W[ph]
;B[oh]
;W[pi]C[bartosz [4d\]: I understand that, but apparently your assumptions on what you know for sure need to be revised
sum [4d\]: hehe believe AI more than reasoning? I don't
cezary [5d\]: I think people find your comment annoying sum because of the way you deliver them, regardless if you're right or not
cezary [5d\]: let's maybe focus on the game anyway
sum [4d\]: we may express our opinion on which participant plays or does not play pro-like, may we not?
cezary [5d\]: I don't wish to continue this thread here, I sent you a private message
cezary [5d\]: but I think this is again a black's pickle to eat (like in the game 1) so I take it as promising for Lukan
]
;B[nf]
;W[ob]C[bartosz [4d\]: P18 is surprising to me
mihi [5d\]: we wants to avoid ko
mihi [5d\]: he
bartosz [4d\]: isnt s18 better style though?
bartosz [4d\]: for liberties?
bartosz [4d\]: ah black could foce a ko then
mihi [5d\]: s18,r18, t17, n16 to enclose
mihi [5d\]: later, black can force a ko
bartosz [4d\]: yeah, I've just realized that
bartosz [4d\]: thanks
sum [4d\]: t16 s14 r19 s18 t18 s19 also leaves behind ko for possible semeai with o17 
mihi [5d\]: b will play J3 now maybe
bartosz [4d\]: n16 is big or slow?
mihi [5d\]: n16 is tempting, but maybe a bit slow
Refresh [5d\]: this looks really good for white
sum [4d\]: j3 leaves corner open, f3 better?
mihi [5d\]: if n16 is sente, then it makes sense to play it now
Refresh [5d\]: n16 looks best here
mihi [5d\]: yes, shape would look really good
sum [4d\]: why exactly n16 sente?
Refresh [5d\]: its not sente
Refresh [5d\]: but black can enclose in sente later on
cezary [5d\]: would you rather, instead of p18 play m17?
sum [4d\]: then too little territory so not what AI would choose
]
;B[qa]C[mihi [5d\]: even if not sente, when white plays M16, black will suffer
Refresh [5d\]: now n15 for white is tempting
]
;W[rb]
;B[sb]
;W[ra]
;B[md]C[Refresh [5d\]: hmm ai recommended d17 for black
Refresh [5d\]: why though
]
;W[qm]C[sum [4d\]: There have been two theories: q15 blue versus p18 gives W good result, if so how should q15 have been used correctly
]
;B[rm]
;W[pl]
;B[qk]
;W[pk]C[TaksiMies [?\]: does this r18 move kill p17 group?
]
;B[pm]C[cezary [5d\]: it doesn't
cezary [5d\]: white has a lot of liberties
cezary [5d\]: all black can do is play t16 t14
cezary [5d\]: and then have a multistep ko
TaksiMies [?\]: why AI thinks its best for balack 
TaksiMies [?\]: and AI wants to take more liberties with n17 move
sum [4d\]: t16 t14 makes W approach bad shape, t16 s14 reasonable
]
;W[fq]C[cezary [5d\]: my bad, meant s14
sum [4d\]: was f3 played before AI? cant recall any
]
;B[pn]C[sum [4d\]: honte like Shuko when winning, o
bartosz [4d\]: i would say in this position f3 looks strange to me
bartosz [4d\]: somehow left side & center looks more interesting
bartosz [4d\]: but i guess it cannot be bad
sum [4d\]: f3 more common when c7 at c6
]
;W[dq]
;B[cq]
;W[cr]C[sum [4d\]: c4 makes c7 more efficient than usual
bartosz [4d\]: good point
sum [4d\]: so would have c4 
bartosz [4d\]: feels like it's more difficult to keep the game under control for white
bartosz [4d\]: compared to previous one
]
;B[br]
;W[dr]
;B[cp]
;W[iq]
;B[gg]
;W[dl]
;B[hp]C[sum [4d\]: expected moves
bartosz [4d\]: I've checked katago and it screams for black's n17
]
;W[hq]
;B[fp]C[bartosz [4d\]: and white's m18
]
;W[cl]C[sum [4d\]: does it suggest n18 p19 ?
]
;B[bm]C[bartosz [4d\]: yes
]
;W[di]
;B[dc]
;W[cc]
;B[ea]
;W[cb]
;B[gc]
;W[be]
;B[ce]
;W[bf]C[liusasori [4d\]: smell like a trap
sum [4d\]: 1-step ko? ~35 in 4 moves ~= 8,75 per move move value is big indeed, so AI right about urgency
marburg23: The who is ahead graphy got very spiky of late, suggests both players are missing the 9d point, which seems to be UR corner
]
;B[ch]C[megaschaf [1k\]: Did lukan win the 2nd game ?
EGF1 [-\]: yes, this one is deciding
]
;W[dh]C[bartosz [4d\]: c15 seems like big mistake
]
;B[cg]C[mihi [5d\]: yes, can't understand why not simply b14
mihi [5d\]: I think b is a bit in despair to capture something
]
;W[dd]
;B[ci]C[segev [1d\]: well after the 2 games i saw this game still can become very messy
]
;W[dj]
;B[gj]C[bartosz [4d\]: I wouldnt have guts to play d10
marburg23: I wonder why the AI likes p13 now
sum [4d\]: B needs 11 points in center from this attack but f14 aji
Refresh [5d\]: game about to get very interesting!
]
;W[gl]C[Refresh [5d\]: i like black now
cezary [5d\]: this is lukan type of game though
cezary [5d\]: or is it
Refresh [5d\]: getting attacked?
]
;B[hl]C[Refresh [5d\]: he likes getting attacked?
sum [4d\]: count of UR corner is about 1,5 for B on average while R and U territories up to 3rd lines about equal
cezary [5d\]: yeah maybe not
cezary [5d\]: getting attacked is Mateusz Surmas style
segev [1d\]: g4 e4 aji seem to make very messy fight
tasuki [-\]: Day two photos at https://gallery.tasuki.org/2023/02-pro-qua-day-two
Refresh [5d\]: feels like this is blacks best chance to win the game so far
]
;W[gk]C[sum [4d\]: capture e14 makes 22 if no semedori so then B needs 33 in center
segev [1d\]: making that center for b isnt a easy thing he is open in 2 spaces in addition
]
;B[hk]
;W[fj]
;B[gm]
;W[gi]
;B[hj]C[Refresh [5d\]: g7 wierd
]
;W[hi]C[Refresh [5d\]: now its hard for black to get points in the centre
]
;B[fk]C[mihi [5d\]: g11 felt natural for black
mihi [5d\]: with h15 as a follow-up to get some points in the center
Refresh [5d\]: yes
cezary [5d\]: ai has a nuclear bomb here
cezary [5d\]: f14 f13 e13 b9 f12 e10 f11 f8 
cezary [5d\]: what a sequence
mihi [5d\]: yes, I also thought white should cut
Refresh [5d\]: wow nice:)
bartosz [4d\]: c15 d16 exchange hurts even more then
Refresh [5d\]: where should black have gone insterad of f9?
Refresh [5d\]: instead*
]
;W[fh]C[bartosz [4d\]: I refreshed AI and it again screams UR corner
bartosz [4d\]: n17
bartosz [4d\]: locally f9 was best 
Refresh [5d\]: oic
]
;B[fl]C[segev [1d\]: thats hurt
]
;W[cj]C[Refresh [5d\]: yes i was thinking c10 too:)
cezary [5d\]: lukan pro
]
;B[fg]C[Refresh [5d\]: j12
]
;W[ek]C[sum [4d\]: proverb f8 = 60 pt but where? :)
Refresh [5d\]: i dont understand e9
isbhal [3d\]: where are black points
]
;B[hf]C[marburg23: e9 would make sense if w far ahead, but looks slack to me
Refresh [5d\]: j12 is sente tho, whtie can play e9 after
sum [4d\]: j4 and W 13 ahead so must try ko
bartosz [4d\]: now the position looks kind of dead for black
]
;W[lb]C[Refresh [5d\]: game still  looks ok for b imo
]
;B[kb]C[Refresh [5d\]: might come down to who plays the better endgame
cezary [5d\]: w+8 according to AI
cezary [5d\]: and Lukan for sure has better yose
Refresh [5d\]: oh wow
]
;W[lc]
;B[ld]C[Refresh [5d\]: didnt know white is ahead so much
segev [1d\]: w got sente?
sum [4d\]: E9 explanation: if ahead play simple and defend
]
;W[oa]
;B[eq]
;W[fr]C[segev [1d\]: m18 was worth that sente?
Refresh [5d\]: probably
Refresh [5d\]: m18 is really big
sum [4d\]: can make make 17 1/2 points elsewhere? If not, yes it was
Refresh [5d\]: n17 instead of h14 would have been better for black
Refresh [5d\]: L3 for black now maybe
]
;B[mq]
;W[nr]
;B[er]
;W[es]
;B[ep]
;W[bs]
;B[aq]
;W[kq]C[Refresh [5d\]: n3 looks bad now
]
;B[ii]
;W[hh]
;B[jg]C[sum [4d\]: p11 good enough
]
;W[mp]
;B[mc]
;W[mb]
;B[sd]
;W[rf]
;B[qb]C[segev [1d\]: oh its ko lol didnt see that coming
]
;W[se]C[sum [4d\]: We have been talking about it from opening:)
frederic [3d\]: b O10 now
EGF1 [-\]: b 10 min, w 40 min
]
;B[rk]
;W[rj]
;B[sj]
;W[si]
;B[sk]C[tymak [2d?\]: how urgent is to play in center? for me is really tempting to play O10 to either enlarge or reduce black points
]
;W[mj]
;B[ri]
;W[rh]
;B[oe]
;W[sc]
;B[lp]
;W[lq]
;B[sd]
;W[he]C[gotedeath [2d?\]: why is the kgs ai set up differently in these games? Is it something on my client?
]
;B[ie]
;W[sc]
;B[mo]
;W[np]
;B[sd]
;W[gf]
;B[hg]
;W[sc]
;B[ds]
;W[cs]
;B[sd]C[sum [4d\]: urgency is an ancient term, nowadays one should assess move values, but not easy for such wide open regions. As first approximation, compare B 1 move versus W 1 move in center. Difference for n10 was >15 pt
sum [4d\]: o19 local threat
frederic [3d\]: L16 maybe
Spass [4d\]: L19
sum [4d\]: ko per move move value still > 7
]
;W[ka]C[Lister [5k\]: whats players time, please?
EGF1 [-\]: b 10 min, w 32
Lister [5k\]: díky :)
]
;B[na]
;W[sc]
;B[nj]
;W[pa]C[sum [4d\]: what
]
;B[oj]
;W[pj]
;B[oi]
;W[ih]
;B[jh]
;W[jb]
;B[jc]
;W[ib]C[sum [4d\]: B needs 22 pt on 9th center row and below and  in LL corner, hard so W wins so ko dissolution was ok
segev [1d\]: a1 ko seem so useless without any threats 
]
;B[ic]C[sum [4d\]: correction, overlooked t11 atari so B needs a few points less but still difficult
]
;W[lm]
;B[nl]
;W[ko]C[sum [4d\]: connected
mihi [5d\]: m9
]
;B[lo]
;W[kp]
;B[gq]
;W[gr]
;B[gp]C[sum [4d\]: n8 
]
;W[ml]
;B[no]
;W[kn]
;B[mi]
;W[lj]
;B[li]C[Ravendark [1d\]: Lukan seems to have avoided total chaos this time
]
;W[qi]
;B[la]
;W[ja]
;B[hb]
;W[ma]
;B[kj]
;W[hr]
;B[kk]C[wolokom [4k\]: its a simply tragety for b
]
;W[fs]C[wolokom [4k\]: hm
]
;B[ll]
;W[kl]
;B[mk]C[wolokom [4k\]: time?
EGF1 [-\]: b 5 min w 25 min
sum [4d\]: W+4,5
]
;W[dm]
;B[mm]
;W[dn]
;B[jl]
;W[cn]
;B[bn]
;W[bl]
;B[bo]C[ghj: still hope for b
ghj: 4.5 very close
wolokom [4k\]: no sorry
]
;W[in]
;B[km]
;W[ln]C[bliviu [2k?\]: AI says W+10.5
]
;B[jn]C[Ravendark [1d\]: 4.5 isn't really close
]
;W[io]C[ghj: trust ai or trust sum?
]
;B[bg]
;W[bi]
;B[ai]C[ghj: 4.5 is close for human play
wolokom [4k\]: no matter b not ahead
ghj: but if its 10.5 then its over
]
;W[bj]
;B[hd]C[ghj: whiteis just a little stronger 
]
;W[af]
;B[ag]
;W[ad]
;B[ge]
;W[ff]
;B[eh]
;W[ei]C[ghj: what is whites rank on kgs
]
;B[eg]
;W[fd]C[ghj: 6d?
]
;B[fc]
;W[am]C[bliviu [2k?\]: i mean, sum and AI are right but on different aspects, sum might have calculated the score based on the current position which might have been right, AI calculated score based on best result
]
;B[oq]
;W[or]
;B[im]
;W[jo]C[tymak [2d?\]: whte is not playing on KGS, he is 8d or 9d on Fox, not sure exactly
ghj: 8-9d fox can be kgs 5d or kgs 8d
]
;B[hn]C[ghj: wide range
]
;W[fn]C[wolokom [4k\]: and his name?
]
;B[an]
;W[al]C[ghj: gaopo 5d is 9d fox
]
;B[sp]
;W[sq]
;B[so]
;W[mn]
;B[nn]
;W[ol]
;B[om]
;W[ig]
;B[if]
;W[da]
;B[ip]
;W[jp]
;B[nd]
;W[co]C[Ravendark [1d\]: fox system is weird, that's why
]
;B[ap]C[ghj: alot of blitz players on kgs dont play seriously
wolokom [4k\]: fox ??????????
]
;W[gd]C[Ravendark [1d\]: I've made it to 5d on either fox or tygem, don't remember which one
sum [4d\]: right, AI score is empical average of test games played to the end; my score is positional judgement / endgame, in this case defensively estimated for W
]
;B[jm]
;W[fa]
;B[ga]
;W[nb]
;B[ok]
;W[aj]
;B[ah]C[ghj: fox ranks are a little weaker than tygem
]
;W[ia]
;B[ha]
;W[la]
;B[eo]
;W[en]
;B[ar]
;W[el]
;B[fm]
;W[ho]
;B[gn]
;W[go]
;B[as]
;W[ds]
;B[em]
;W[fo]
;B[do]C[sum [4d\]: When W played l8, lots of hot regions, so predicting score was hard so I made a particularly defensive estimate just to reaffirm W win prediction
]
;W[ea]C[EGF1 [-\]: i didnt get the moves sry
EGF1 [-\]: counting now
ghj: the loser of this game gets eliminated?
Siljan [?\]: No problem, you did a great job !
to1al [?\]: the best scriber!
Siljan [?\]: yes, the loser is out ("double knockout")
wolokom [4k\]: the most beauty one ² 
EGF1 [-\]: w + 10,5
ghj: ghx
wolokom [4k\]: :)
wolokom [4k\]: thx
ghj: ai prediction is still best:)
wolokom [4k\]: for this job
megaschaf [1k\]: thx
ghj: well done lukas!
sum [4d\]: uh, did the players correct endgame so AI score guess remains valid?
chajneg [?\]: Thx
wolokom [4k\]: lukas is the best in Tschechien
Milos [?\]: \\o/ \\o/
]
;B[gh]
;W[fi]
;B[he])
